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Re: Curie 2010!

Not to start a whole 6v0 thread again, but I still don't see how going 6v0 makes any dominant team beatable.

Going 6v0 gives all teams the same points, but those points are still pretty darn high. A 25-0 match is better that a 7-5 match in terms of seeding points. Yes, you don't give them the coopertition points, but if they're getting that many seeding points consistently, who cares about coopertition points.

If a dominant team were to play every match as 6v0 and get 25 points each match, 10 matches later they have 250 seeding points. If you play in one of those matches, you get your 25 points, but the rest of the matches average, say, 15 points, you're sitting at 160. In the end, the 25 points that you (and everyone else that played 6v0 against them) gave them has widened the gap between them and the rest of the field. If I were that dominant team, I would welcome any 6v0 match that was going to yield me an easy 25 points.

If you're playing 6v0 to help yourself, this is probably perfectly fine. You get your points and move up, and the dominant team stays ahead. However, if you're trying to dethrone the dominant team, you're probably better off trying to keep the score low to lessen the gap.
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Re: Curie 2010!

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Who needs a match schedule? When you feel the dome tilt towards Curie you better head over there.
You're right! and who knows, Clinton will probably have that bot elevated, diverting balls into the goal, suspending 1, and then reaching out, grabbing the Freeze's roll bars and suspending it also!
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Re: Curie 2010!

How does sitting in front of your own goals show 469/1114, or any other team that you would be a good partner in finals? This is champs. The last time for alot of drive teams or the first time. 6v0 is asking alot. What i would like to see is every alliance on every field in the first match play a forced 6v0. It would just show the powers that be how silly this seeding system is.
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Re: Curie 2010!

A word...

If I were you, I would worry less about how to dethrone the best and more about how to win the division. If the MSC matches are any indication, it is possible to beat an alliance with two effective scorers and 469. Which would you rather be, the robot that brings 469 to #2 seed, that no one remembers? Or the alliance that performed the most shocking eliminations upset in FRC history?

I know a lot of random FIRST facts, but I have no idea who or how 1114 seeded less than 1st on Curie on 2007. I do know that 1732 / 67 / 48 performed a controversial upset. If you're trying to make history, take em down in eliminations.
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Re: Curie 2010!

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Re: Curie 2010!

A note on 6v0 that I think teams should realize: Even though you do go up in ranking, is sends the other teams up in ranking too. So while everyone will play 6v0 against 469 and 1114, the same people will complain when they are #1 and #2.
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Re: Curie 2010!

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A note on 6v0 that I think teams should realize: Even though you do go up in ranking, is sends the other teams up in ranking too. So while everyone will play 6v0 against 469 and 1114, the same people will complain when they are #1 and #2.
No, they will complain that they got to go to 3 events each or that their "mentors build their robots"... I'll go back to mumbling in my corner now. Good luck 469/1114, you guys have a target the size of Texas on your backs.
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Re: Curie 2010!

Along the lines of beating 469...

217 beat them once in qualifying at Cass Tech, tied them at Troy (and then got demolished), beat them in MSC qualifying, and then went 1-2-1 in the finals at MSC. That's a 3-2-2 record so far this year. And, if you take a look at one of the matches, their strategy to beat 469 isn't really that complex either. I see at least one team doing this to 469 during Curie and having identical success. If there's an upset with 469 losing in the elims, there'll be a team doing that.

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Re: Curie 2010!

I'm calling it now. Curie devision is going to win the Championship.

1114, 469, and a third team, some random picks: 832, 2775.

And oh wow! I didn't even notice 111 is in there also. Some tough competition in there.
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Re: Curie 2010!

So, to segway away from the 469 discussion.

Are there any other "strikers" in the field? We're a "striker" and managed to make it to the finals in New Jersey. We're planning on modifying our ball possessor once again for the Championship to see if we can eliminate our carrying problem.

(Striker(s) is in quotes because technically any team can be a striker but there are some teams where this is what they prefer to do, and are very good at it)
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I'm calling it now. Curie devision is going to win the Championship.

1114, 469, and a third team.
Can we call dibs?
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I would like to insert Team 1986 into the mix! Youngest undefeated team in the United States (something 469 has not been able to do this year)!

Curie's gonna be real good!
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I would like to insert Team 1986 into the mix! Youngest undefeated team in the United States (something 469 has not been able to do this year)!

Curie's gonna be real good!
Considering they competed and won 3 events in Michigan (which is a whole nother ball game), I'm fairly sure a 43-9-5 record is something that pretty good.
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Re: Curie 2010!

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So, to segway away from the 469 discussion.

Are there any other "strikers" in the field? We're a "striker" and manages to make it to the finals in New Jersey. We're planning on modifying our ball possessor once again for the Championship to see if we can eliminate our carrying problem.

(Striker(s) is in quotes because technically any team can be a striker but there are some teams where this is what they prefer to do, and are very good at it)
If I remember 830 is in this division as well. They usually end up playing the closer/stricker zone. They did well at Traverse City as well as Ann Arbor. Very quick and well driven, some of the top qualities needed in the close zone.
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If I remember 830 is in this division as well. They usually end up playing the closer/stricker zone. They did well at Traverse City as well as Ann Arbor. Very quick and well driven, some of the top qualities needed in the close zone.
But once they faced some really good competition at MSC they seemed to falter.
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