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Re: Curie 2010!

This going to be interesting, can't wait to see you guys there!
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Re: Curie 2010!

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Gotcha.

Also, can you hang on the near side of the tower? Does the ball return interfere with your hanging mechanism?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to get a better feel for your machine.
I don't mind the questions at all. It's great when someone asks about your robot.

Before adding our ball director, I know we could hang in the near. I haven't seen it tested though, wether or not we can hang from the near with it on, although I'm 98% sure we can.

Edit: Just looked into it, the ball director does not interfere with us hanging from the near.

In the Mid/Near, the ball director doesn't interfere with hanging.
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Re: Curie 2010!

Last I thought I knew, you can't even *touch* the horizontal bars under the ball return chutes, let alone hang from them!?!

So, while 2337 *can* hang from those, I suspect the *may* part is right out!
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Re: Curie 2010!

As a Rookie team Mentor it was interesting to see some of the top seed teams held to less than 10 points in some of the matches. At the Michigan Championships a couple of New teams held 469 to just a few scores by simple playing strategy of starving them for balls. The prior competitive experiences helps but some of the Rookie teams have scored a lot of points this year. In one of our matches all three teams hung at the end for 6 points. The teams that score in autonomous also have an advantage. The scouting databases really don't capture some of that very well. Statistically based on seeding this divison is only 1.5 percentage points lower than Archemedies and almost 8 percentage points higher than the other two divisions.
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Re: Curie 2010!

Similar to what I did in previous years, I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (all 144 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

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Team	Avg Rnk	Med Rnk	Mod Rnk	SD Rnk	Min Rnk	Max Rnk	#1 seed	Top 8	Avg SS	Med SS	Stdv SS	Min SS	Max SS
1114	1.265	1	1	0.48	1	3	150	200	282.415	283	14.12	231	314
469	1.785	2	2	0.48	1	3	49	200	266.71	267.5	15.19	230	309
573	6.495	5	3	5.01	1	38	1	158	209.28	211	23.28	133	271
1986	6.22	5	3	4.24	2	30	0	161	210.265	211	21.16	142	252
1676	11.085	9	5	7.79	2	38	0	97	189.405	190	23.27	134	241
1732	11.98	10	6	7.70	3	40	0	85	185.9	185	24.46	131	247
27	12.095	10	12	8.25	3	52	0	79	185.29	185	24.23	110	249
111	11.81	10	8	7.21	3	37	0	85	185.16	186	21.83	127	244
2775	12.15	10	5	8.43	3	61	0	82	185.375	187	23.72	95	231
2345	12.005	10.5	6	7.65	3	41	0	77	185.955	185	23.35	127	243
2337	11.925	10	9	7.52	3	44	0	77	185.715	186	22.00	123	235
231	22.31	20	9	13.41	4	72	0	22	160.65	161.5	27.15	86	230
175	23.825	22	17	11.92	4	59	0	22	156.12	157	23.31	100	212
1511	24.03	21	19	13.57	4	61	0	16	157.175	159	25.51	96	223
368	21.895	19	12	11.76	5	63	0	13	160.79	163	23.43	100	216
1912	22.725	20	17	12.52	3	62	0	18	158.945	160	24.75	97	237
2612	23.055	21	21	12.15	4	65	0	15	158.565	161	24.06	94	210
2410	24.88	22	20	13.43	3	69	0	13	154.875	157	25.95	82	221
624	23.975	21	14	13.07	4	74	0	16	156.74	159	25.19	78	213
1421	24.265	22	16	13.66	3	72	0	24	156.91	157	27.32	83	241
830	23	20.5	23	13.44	3	64	0	26	158.8	160.5	26.33	96	222
88	23.89	21	14	13.98	3	66	0	19	157.38	157.5	27.38	88	217
386	22.155	21	21	11.09	3	61	0	25	159.895	159	23.80	100	224
291	26.065	24	24	13.80	5	73	0	11	152.585	153	25.63	71	220
1538	23.245	21	20	11.88	4	60	0	15	157.345	158.5	23.37	100	213
2557	38.905	39	41	17.16	8	84	0	2	130.305	130	28.04	55	195
126	39.285	36	28	16.03	4	79	0	2	129.24	133	25.54	70	206
192	39.04	38	37	16.44	8	77	0	1	129.595	130	25.81	70	192
816	37.655	37	30	14.73	6	83	0	1	131.44	133	23.49	62	194
2992	39.805	38.5	34	15.95	9	81	0	0	128.14	127.5	25.23	72	184
2169	37.515	39	24	15.17	6	78	0	3	132.265	130.5	25.45	63	212
1649	37.81	38	42	14.76	6	80	0	3	131.95	129	24.43	67	199
171	41.76	39	27	16.26	8	82	0	2	125.525	127	25.30	64	194
3186	38.83	38	42	15.73	8	78	0	1	129.955	128	25.51	61	189
40	37.87	37	32	15.14	5	81	0	2	131.395	132	24.75	65	199
138	39.77	39	35	15.30	10	83	0	0	128.27	129	24.47	57	182
1391	37.3	35	35	16.40	6	81	0	4	132.53	132	27.33	65	204
1379	37.56	37.5	41	15.95	6	75	0	4	132.73	131	26.37	77	199
1033	39.77	39	23	16.26	11	79	0	0	128.715	129	25.74	62	185
3234	39.94	41	26	15.89	7	78	0	1	128.075	125.5	24.88	67	188
2648	40.715	39	38	15.53	5	74	0	4	127.23	126.5	24.43	67	198
1764	41.16	39.5	32	15.75	5	82	0	3	126.115	127	25.16	54	202
388	37.25	36	15	15.73	3	79	0	4	133.07	133	26.12	66	214
537	37.48	35	22	14.90	9	74	0	0	132.07	135	23.97	74	191
3145	38.47	37	31	16.17	6	85	0	3	130.435	129.5	26.25	54	203
3284	40.035	40	25	16.90	10	81	0	0	128.16	126	26.92	65	188
191	38.82	39	43	15.94	5	76	0	2	130.395	129	25.87	74	206
1980	38.205	37	37	15.40	7	82	0	2	130.6	131	24.62	51	197
2252	57.825	58.5	77	15.73	17	85	0	0	100.16	101	24.84	40	169
440	56.48	59	65	15.71	18	86	0	0	102.34	100	24.41	46	171
1126	56.395	57	53	15.83	15	85	0	0	102.095	104	24.98	42	170
3230	56.345	57	53	16.10	15	86	0	0	102.215	100	25.48	37	173
2583	58.72	60.5	51	15.44	15	86	0	0	98.835	97.5	24.58	36	169
3142	59.165	60	72	15.25	10	86	0	0	97.865	97	24.00	41	184
340	57.09	59	62	15.85	10	85	0	0	100.89	98	25.15	29	181
288	58.57	60	74	15.30	22	85	0	0	98.94	97	23.66	49	153
3299	55.41	56.5	58	15.54	15	85	0	0	103.835	104	24.12	41	167
1334	57.11	59	62	15.63	12	86	0	0	101.485	99.5	24.23	53	174
237	58.725	59	70	15.08	15	86	0	0	98.37	98.5	23.63	37	167
115	55.285	58	68	15.76	11	86	0	0	104.055	101.5	23.84	50	177
1306	56.02	57	50	15.89	11	86	0	0	103.005	102	25.10	38	178
2865	58.51	60	60	16.58	10	85	0	0	99.215	97	25.78	45	190
223	58.015	60	72	16.10	12	86	0	0	99.75	98	25.47	46	178
888	56.735	58	55	15.90	16	85	0	0	101.375	101.5	25.07	39	167
832	56.21	58	63	15.19	17	83	0	0	102.995	103	23.48	54	164
1398	54.95	53	51	16.15	16	86	0	0	103.775	106	24.95	47	168
931	58.155	58.5	57	15.55	12	85	0	0	99.8	100	24.80	43	180
2041	57.77	58.5	65	15.44	11	86	0	0	100.525	99	24.44	31	179
3207	55.63	56.5	65	15.15	17	85	0	0	103.26	102	23.61	48	162
692	72.855	75	84	11.59	35	86	0	0	73.76	72.5	22.35	24	138
597	70.05	73	83	13.33	27	86	0	0	79.41	78	23.59	30	142
2667	70.915	74.5	84	12.91	26	86	0	0	76.58	74	24.32	22	141
1747	73.23	76	86	11.82	24	86	0	0	72.84	72	22.30	25	149
141	71.34	75	78	12.47	22	86	0	0	76.785	74	22.38	23	146
3271	71.475	74	82	11.76	35	86	0	0	77.08	76.5	21.21	30	131
75	72.27	75	84	11.16	30	86	0	0	75.045	73.5	21.66	21	141
1350	71.51	75	76	11.60	27	86	0	0	76.785	74.5	22.03	23	154
1251	73.015	76	78	11.64	24	86	0	0	73.285	72	22.40	27	141
3405	71.795	74	85	11.87	25	86	0	0	75.54	76	23.13	21	158
2550	70.475	73	84	13.16	28	86	0	0	77.535	77	24.73	30	146
296	70.84	74	77	12.74	20	86	0	0	77.515	78	23.47	23	153
48	71.735	75	81	12.43	33	86	0	0	75.985	73	22.67	23	144
2449	72.16	75.5	86	12.26	32	86	0	0	74.58	73	23.39	24	143
1075	71.87	74.5	81	11.79	30	86	0	0	75.74	75.5	22.38	24	138
2630	71.77	74	82	11.74	24	86	0	0	76.305	75	21.79	26	157
3339	71.5	73.5	82	12.36	20	86	0	0	76.205	75	22.38	20	155
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Re: Curie 2010!

I would like to personally wish all the teams in Curie Good Luck! It will be very interesting and exciting to see the best robots go at it!
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Re: Curie 2010!

Joe: That's really cool! Thank you for posting the data, now we know what to beat!

Dustin: I looked into it with our robot, and if we end up playing near, the only way for us to hang is to take off our ball director (which we wouldn't be using anyways), drive up to the bump on our side, and using only one hook, hit the side of the tower from near. Obviously, risky, but I guess we can do it. And if we're gonna play near, we'd know in advance.
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Re: Curie 2010!

Holy crap... 469, 1114, 2337, and 111 in the same division? This is going to be fun!
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Re: Curie 2010!

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Holy crap... 469, 1114, 2337, and 111 in the same division? This is going to be fun!
ITS GOING TO BE INTENSE!!...I'd be willing to bet that the alliance that Curie sends to Einstein will at the very least be Einstein finalists if not the winner.
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ITS GOING TO BE INTENSE!!...I'd be willing to bet that the alliance that Curie sends to Einstein will at the very least be Einstein finalists if not the winner.
The thing is that the Curie winner faces up against the Archimedes winner, and Archimedes is just as good this year.
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ITS GOING TO BE INTENSE!!...I'd be willing to bet that the alliance that Curie sends to Einstein will at the very least be Einstein finalists if not the winner.
Either that or Archimedes. Both divisions seem pretty stacked this year. But no matter what we see, it'll be nothing compared to the competition we saw at MSC!

For those of you that haven't heard, it sounds like our MC is Mark Leon this year!
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It really is too bad Karthik doesnt MC CMP...
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watch out, there's a new powerhouse on the block this year.
Umm...who is it?
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If I were you, I would worry less about how to dethrone the best and more about how to win the division.
Can anyone think of a strategy that would nullify all of 1114 or 469's strengths? Do it and you win. Fer instance:
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And what's 1114's weakness? (besides Krispy Kremes, that is )

Oh, yes, 1114's kids are not about to let their mentors have all the fun of building their robot. They just work harder at design and build.
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Along the lines of beating 469...

217 beat them once in qualifying at Cass Tech, tied them at Troy (and then got demolished), beat them in MSC qualifying, and then went 1-2-1 in the finals at MSC. That's a 3-2-2 record so far this year. And, if you take a look at one of the matches, their strategy to beat 469 isn't really that complex either. I see at least one team doing this to 469 during Curie and having identical success. If there's an upset with 469 losing in the elims, there'll be a team doing that.

My $0.02.
This is what I am thinking is the first step to beating 469.
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Re: Curie 2010!

I think the general thinking is the following:

A) Beating 469 on their own, doable. Difficult, but doable.
B) Beating 1114 on their own, doable. Again, Difficult, but doable.
C) Beating them together, thats where everyone's big question mark is. Since A) and B) are so difficult, preventing C) from becoming a problem in Elims is looking to be EXTREMELY difficult.
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