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Re: Mentors on drive team

I believe that the adults should stay off the field. Do you see any coaches in sports step onto the field? No, they are always on the side lines. The "coach" on the field should be a student leader. Just like how there is a leader on any sports team.
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Re: Mentors on drive team

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Taking a few swings at stereotypes this morning, Andrew? I'd be careful with that.

Bottom line, the FIRST programs are suited for multi-generational interactions and partnerships. FRC provides many opportunities for children of all ages to work together and celebrate a great competition and program. It's part of the magic.

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Oh, from the post I quoted I thought this thread was where we posted misguided stereotypical crap.
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Re: Mentors on drive team

I posted earlier on this thread and I just wanted to add that I have driven under a mentor as a coach and I am pretty sure I got just as inspired as I would have if he had been one of my peers. Through the coaching process I got to know him very well and we had a lot of fun together, I guess I'm just saying that it can be just as inspiring to be told what to do by someone older than you as a peer (especially if you win )
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Re: Mentors on drive team

For those of you who are questioning the inspiration of Adult & Mentor coaches, I have a question.

Have you ever been on the Field with one of those Dynasty Coaches - you know, the coaches that have been to Einstein more times than you've been to the finals? Have you ever been across the glass from Paul Copioli, Shared a Driver's Station with Shaun McNulty, or watched how Raul Olivera coaches 111's drivers? I know both as a student and a mentor, just the aura around these individuals was inspiring, not to mention the insight and help they provide is invaluable.

To me, these coaches truly inspiring.
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Re: Mentors on drive team

When you get to the competition portion of this program, it should be the goal of the 4 people on the field to get the absolute most they can out of the 120 pound machine placed on the field. Those 4 people have the responsibility to put into play the hundreds of hours of work from the team, the pit crew, the scouts, the sponsors and everyone else attached to the program.

For those 2 minutes of play time, that means the best combination of driver, operator, human player and coach to accomplish that should be the ones on the field.

Although often the same person, the person who put in the most hours is not necessarily the best person for any of those roles. I don't think any of those roles should be a "reward" for time put in - the decisions need to be based around what is the best combination of 4 people to be on the field. That might be a mentor for the coach, that might be a student. It might be the kid who puts in 30 hours a week in the shop, it might be the one that had other committments and could only do 15 - but has an unbelievable ability to drive or strategize.

We all have roles to play and sometimes those roles are out in front and sometimes they are in the background. The best result for the team should be the primary consideration.
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Re: Mentors on drive team

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I believe that the adults should stay off the field. Do you see any coaches in sports step onto the field? No, they are always on the side lines. The "coach" on the field should be a student leader. Just like how there is a leader on any sports team.
The coach doesn't play any of the game in robotics, just like football.

How many high school football teams have student coaches?

Why do you think this is?
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Re: Mentors on drive team

The only appropriate reply to this entire thread:

"That's just, like, your opinion, man!"
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Re: Mentors on drive team

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The coach doesn't play any of the game in robotics, just like football.

How many high school football teams have student coaches?

Why do you think this is?
Couple of things.
Robotics is not a sport.
And in football the coaches call the plays (strategies of robotics) but its the QB that calls the autables (the coach). Also I would argue that the coach does play the game, they are the QB, Point guard, or any other leader of a sports team.
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Re: Mentors on drive team

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Robotics is not a sport.
We are all in the FIRST Robotics Competition.

Key word being Competition. FRC may not be considered a "sport" by the masses, but it is still a competition, and the point of any competition is to compete, be competitive, and win - though some may disagree with the last two.
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Re: Mentors on drive team

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We are all in the FIRST Robotics Competition.

Key word being Competition. FRC may not be considered a "sport" by the masses, but it is still a competition, and the point of any competition is to compete, be competitive, and win - though some may disagree with the last two.
And those people would be WRONG. (Not an opinion, it has been outright stated that we should be trying to win numerous times.)
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Re: Mentors on drive team

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Robotics is not a sport.
And in football the coaches call the plays (strategies of robotics) but its the QB that calls the autables (the coach). Also I would argue that the coach does play the game, they are the QB, Point guard, or any other leader of a sports team.
If poker is a sport, robotics is definitely a sport. We do more than move playing cards around... (Hey, poker does show up quite often on ESPN, who is known as "the worldwide leader in sports".)

In this game, the coach does both strategy and audible calling. Strategies are worked out with the entire alliance before a match--don't leave your coach out of that. Audibles are called on the field by the coach. And, in sports like basketball and hockey, the coach is on the sidelines calling signals to his team throughout the game, not just at defined points in time.

However, sports comparisons do fail. What sport gives you a random team every time you take the field? What playoff tournament allows you to pick your team after dishing out the random teams in qualifying?
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Re: Mentors on drive team

Go about picking your coaches your own way; if the team (both drive and general) is comfortable with the choice, no point trying to fix something that isn't broken. If you're not, explore the options; it really is all about the individual you choose to be the coach, not a sterotype based off their age.
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Re: Mentors on drive team

Just a thought for this topic as this thread begins its descent into emotional fractured disagreement:

With the way that FRC is set up, students cycle up and through the program until they are eventually out as active participants unless they decide to mentor or volunteer or become a sponsor. The cycle renews and replenishes each season, bringing in new participants who are at the beginning stages of understanding FRC and the opportunities that are made available. These opportunities occur constantly - during build, competition, and during the off season. It is hoped that as participants mature and gain experience, that they become more open with each passing season, to the rich variety of opportunities made available to improve with and to learn from, as individuals and, as teams.

Readers of the threads that contain topics like these are interested in learning and gaining insight and/or understanding. If posts are filled with strong opinions, sarcasm, mud-slinging, and rude disagreements, that narrows the opportunities to learn and to understand the bigger picture. Give learning opportunities a chance. If you are frustrated and decide to post in a manner that is creating an atmosphere of derision, then walk away and take a break. You are missing a great opportunity by being a know-it-all, yourself.

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Re: Mentors on drive team

Before people get sidetracked into FIRST is/isn't a sport discussions, please look up 'nominalism' and ponder why discussions like that are a giant waste of time.
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Re: Mentors on drive team

The student vs. adult coach question surfaces almost every season. I've given my opinions on it in many of those threads, and I think that this post that I wrote two years ago is still a valid representation of my opinions on the issue. Basically, there isn't any one right answer to your question, you have to do what feels right for your team.
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