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Many are putting 5172 in their predictions - the website says that they are not going to be in attendance.
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Many are putting 5172 in their predictions - the website says that they are not going to be in attendance.
Most likely because some people started making predictions before the final list was released.
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341 is not on the final team list.
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I think you switched 2502 and 2052. 2052 is the much better team this year.
Depends on what you're looking for in your pick, although I certainly appreciate the modesty.
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Depends on what you're looking for in your pick, although I certainly appreciate the modesty.
HutchMN is too modest.. , 2502 built a good robot as well this year!

It makes more sense to put 2502 with 225 and 2481 anyway since both of them shoot from the outerworks they may want a batter shooter for their 3rd robot.
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It makes more sense to put 2502 with 225 and 2481 anyway since both of them shoot from the outerworks they may want a batter shooter for their 3rd robot.
And one that could climb as consistently as Talon did in the Galileo playoffs. They were a very effective second pick for that alliance.
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And one that could climb as consistently as Talon did in the Galileo playoffs. They were a very effective second pick for that alliance.
Agreed. If I counted it right during some of 2502's elims matches in Galileo they scored most of the boulders for their alliance at times and scaled consistently.
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Re: IRI 2016 Predictions

Before I finish up prescouting and making my own prediction for alliances, here are some general predictions I have, along with some questions for the community to get a better idea of what the teams going to IRI are looking for picking wise (so I can make my predictions more accurate).

General Predictions:
  • 2056 will win (with whatever alliance they happen to be a part of)
  • Palindrome Alliance (absolutely loved that post)
  • Finals will be a game of 3 offensive bots vs 2 offensive bots and a defending bot (If Einstein ended that way, why not IRI)
  • At least two alliances will use their backup bot when none of the other robots on their alliance are broken (for strategy reasons). Expanding on this point I personally think the backup bots could be used a lot more than they are this year. For example you could have a defense bot you switch in against certain alliances, or have an outerworks shooter for when you are against defense. Especially at IRI when there will be some good robots left after alliance selection.

Questions for the IRI community:
  • Which is more valuable: Single auton high goal or scaling? They are equivalent points wise, but are they the same value for picking?
  • How does batter, outerworks, turret, and midfield shooting stack up? Is a midfield turret bot more likely to be picked than an outerworks bot?
  • At what point would you put in a defense bot? For example there isn't much point using courtyard defense against three tall outerworks bots. Would you still run another type of defense or would you only run defense against 3 midfield shooters?
By midfield shooting I mean shooting from the courtyard, but not the batter or the outerworks. That middle zone in-between the two.
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Questions for the IRI community:
  • Which is more valuable: Single auton high goal or scaling? They are equivalent points wise, but are they the same value for picking?
  • How does batter, outerworks, turret, and midfield shooting stack up? Is a midfield turret bot more likely to be picked than an outerworks bot?
  • At what point would you put in a defense bot? For example there isn't much point using courtyard defense against three tall outerworks bots. Would you still run another type of defense or would you only run defense against 3 midfield shooters?
By midfield shooting I mean shooting from the courtyard, but not the batter or the outerworks. That middle zone in-between the two.
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I think single auton high goal is more valuable because the tower strength decreases. In my opinion contributing to the capture is more important than 10 more points for scaling than challenging.

Outerwork shooters are more likely to be picked than mid-field shooters just like championships and regionals in my opinion. It's a protected zone and in order to shut down an outerwork shooter you need blocker of some sort. It forces your opponents to be creative in order to stop you, whereas with a mid-field bot all a defensive bot has to do is push you to mess up the shot. So it still remains the same to me picking wise Outerworks > Batter > Midfield. Not many teams have the ability to do this but shooting from the wall is also a great way to shoot under defense- teams like 1241 and 5172 have pulled it off very well during competition season.

I would put in a defensive bot against 3 tall outerworks shooters... especially if their alliance is non-stop cycling in boulders. Blockers can stop outerwork shooters too. I would run defense against a batter shooter as well if it was strategically advantageous. The defender basically has to make it tough as possible for the batter shooter to get on the batter when they are cycling boulders in, examples being coming in their way while they are trying to travel toward the batter.
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I think single auton high goal is more valuable because the tower strength decreases. In my opinion contributing to the capture is more important than a 10 more points for scaling than challenging.
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The thing is a capture is going to be almost trivial for any alliance at IRI. The only matches without captures are probably going to be related to robots not getting on the batter on time.

So, from there I would check consistency. Which is higher Robot A's single ball auton consistency or Robot B's scaling consistency. Whichever one is getting those extra points more often wins.
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Questions for the IRI community:
  • Which is more valuable: Single auton high goal or scaling? They are equivalent points wise, but are they the same value for picking?
  • How does batter, outerworks, turret, and midfield shooting stack up? Is a midfield turret bot more likely to be picked than an outerworks bot?
  • At what point would you put in a defense bot? For example there isn't much point using courtyard defense against three tall outerworks bots. Would you still run another type of defense or would you only run defense against 3 midfield shooters?
By midfield shooting I mean shooting from the courtyard, but not the batter or the outerworks. That middle zone in-between the two.
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These are good questions.
  • The single auto shot has the benefit of lowering the tower, but in IRI elims you should have enough teleop boulders to lower the tower anyway, and that team is likely going to score that ball the instant teleop starts. It also depends how consistent they both are, because even elite scaling bots missed climbs this season quite often.
  • I'd pick Outer Works and batter over midfield every time, and probably tall outer works over batter, although it depends on the role the robot is trying to perform, and the volume of balls they output.
  • I'd run a defensive robot if I thought they could lower the output of my opponents more than my third offense bot would add to my own offense. So short outer works shooters are prime targets, and robots that are used to running specific sets. I might also run some robots on feeding or something that's a hybrid offense/defense role of sorts.
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The thing is a capture is going to be almost trivial for any alliance at IRI. The only matches without captures are probably going to be related to robots not getting on the batter on time.

So, from there I would check consistency. Which is higher Robot A's single ball auton consistency or Robot B's scaling consistency. Whichever one is getting those extra points more often wins.
True, but IRI may see heavy defense in eliminations making it tougher to capture in teleop so going with the single ball auton may be a safer choice but that's a weak argument because of the number of great shooters IRI contains, so I agree that the capture will be trivial for any alliance at IRI and if it comes down to that, going with whichever one is most consistent (single ball auto or scaling) is the best choice.
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Considering how much of a part they played on getting to Einstein and through Einstein with their intense defense I'm surprised 1405 has not made anyone's predictions. I'm sure 2056 will not pass them by.
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Considering how much of a part they played on getting to Einstein and through Einstein with their intense defense I'm surprised 1405 has not made anyone's predictions. I'm sure 2056 will not pass them by.
Wait, do you possibly mean that strategic flexibility is a desirable trait in a 4-team alliance of which only 3 can be on the field at a time?

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