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Winningest FRC team of all time??

So, I was mulling over how we discuss the performance of traditional sports teams vs. how we discuss FRC teams and I began thinking of the concept of "the winningest team." This is something often talked about in traditional sports, where the win is often the most important thing, but in FRC--particularly in recent seasons--we also have the complicating factors of alliances and rank points which I think muddies the issue a little bit. This is not to mention the huge time differences between when teams began and the number of plays each team gets per season.

So, summer CD, here is my question to you. Who, in your mind, is the winningest FRC team of all time and more importantly, what is your metric? Is it simply the number of wins, as the name would suggest? Or is there a better way to do this?
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Re: Winningest FRC team of all time??

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So, I was mulling over how we discuss the performance of traditional sports teams vs. how we discuss FRC teams and I began thinking of the concept of "the winningest team." This is something often talked about in traditional sports, where the win is often the most important thing, but in FRC--particularly in recent seasons--we also have the complicating factors of alliances and rank points which I think muddies the issue a little bit. This is not to mention the huge time differences between when teams began and the number of plays each team gets per season.

So, summer CD, here is my question to you. Who, in your mind, is the winningest FRC team of all time and more importantly, what is your metric? Is it simply the number of wins, as the name would suggest? Or is there a better way to do this?
254. They've been around for 18 years and have kept their regional losses in the single digits.

EDIT: As of now, their regional record is 36-7. May have miscounted the wins, but definitely not the losses.
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Re: Winningest FRC team of all time??

This will help: https://www.thebluealliance.com/insights

It has highest wins for a specific team, most successful alliances, and many more insights. You can even look at year specific insights.
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Re: Winningest FRC team of all time??

If I am going off of wins I have a few ways to go. I could go with the team with the most amount of regional wins, the team with moist championchips wins, the team that has performed the greatest feat in frc, a teams best first year, etc.. There are so many options but for wins I would have to go with 2056 1114 waterloo duo (hey its a team made of 2056, 1114, and another team). They dominated Canada winning regionals together year after year after year with it all culminating in the 2056 vs. 1114 in the finals with 2056 ultimately coming out on top.

Another way to look at it is through chairmans and I don't know enough about hof teams and their contributions to really make a judgement on who I consider to be the most winningest team in chairmans.
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Re: Winningest FRC team of all time??

I think that overall number of blue banners is a pretty accurate way of assessing a team because it shows robot performance and team performance. Unless you only want to judge based on robot performance, in which regional wins is probably more accurate.

Most blue banners: 254
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Re: Winningest FRC team of all time??

The problem with judging robot performance based on regional wins is that it takes more than a good robot to win a regional. Some teams do some very impressive work with their robots, but they lack in execution and strategy aspects. And some teams have fairly basic robots, but they make up for it with superior strategy, consistency, communication, etc.
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Re: Winningest FRC team of all time??

Hi mikhalev,

Where I'm from, in order to be called the winningest team, you've gotta win!
Doesn't matter how many players you've sent to the league, if you aren't winning then you can't be called the winnigest!

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Re: Winningest FRC team of all time??

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254. They've been around for 18 years and have kept their regional losses in the single digits.

EDIT: As of now, their regional record is 36-7. May have miscounted the wins, but definitely not the losses.
If you control for the age of the team, 2056 has a better regular season event win/loss record. 2056 has lost only 2 regular season events in their history.
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Re: Winningest FRC team of all time??

67.

Number of Einstein appearances, Einstein wins, and District/Regional wins.

Of all time - might I add.
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Re: Winningest FRC team of all time??

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I think that overall number of blue banners is a pretty accurate way of assessing a team because it shows robot performance and team performance. Unless you only want to judge based on robot performance, in which regional wins is probably more accurate.

Most blue banners: 254
The problem with this metric is that it can unfairly inflate older teams. Take a team that has been around for 20 years and won a blue banner every year, versus one that has been around for 10 years and won a banner every year - how do you compare them?

A better metric would be banners/year, or maybe even banners/event, with some sort of artificial limit put in (must be 5 years old, or something to that effect) to limit the impact of a lucky rookie year and to highlight team success over time. You could also keep it to the total number of banners, but limit the timeframe. Instead of including the full history of FRC, only include the past 5 years (or however many you think is relevant).

Just take some of the teams with the most blue banners:
254 - 48 banners over 19 years, about 2.5 banners per year.
1114 - 44/15, or almost 3 banners per year
67 - 41/21, close to 2 banners per year
2056 - 37/11, well more than 3 banners per year!

I'm not going to get into figuring out how many total events each of these teams attended over their history.

Personally, I like banners/event. It helps to even out the differences between teams that can afford more events and those that can't.
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256 - 48 banners over 19 years, about 2.5 banners per year.
Must have skipped the years I was on the team.
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Must have skipped the years I was on the team.
Oops, should have been 254. I went back and corrected that. That's what you get when a software engineer rushes his numbers a bit
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Re: Winningest FRC team of all time??

I would say it has to be one of (67, 254, 2056). You have the most consistent regional and national performance, most regional wins, and highest win percentage between those three.

I think 67 should come out on top of that. 67 is currently the only team to take home CA and a championship win in the same season, one of only 2 teams to have consecutive championship wins, and one of only 4 teams to have 3 or more championship wins. They have also made division finals or better on all but THREE years since 2003. Finally, they are third in both blue banner totals and regional/district wins, so I'd say they've seen consistent winning over their long history.

As for win rate vs. total wins, of course win rate is a more valuable metric. However, it should be noted that the longer a team is around, the more difficult it is to keep a win rate high. One bad season can ruin these world-class win rates. Props to 254 and 67 especially for keeping consistent performances EVERY YEAR over their ~20 years.
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2056. They are nutty!
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