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How good would Power Up robots be at Stronghold?

I got the idea for this thread when I was talking to a student from Triple Strange about old robots when they mentioned their 2018 robot could also pick up boulders. That's when it hit me that a lot of the designs this year (especially shooterbots and switch/exchange specialists) shared a lot in common with robots from that game. Traditional scalebots might even be better at high goals as all they would have to do would be to drive up to the goal, extend up and spit the cube in. Climbing in both power up and stronghold was also basically the same thing but Stronghold's bar was far bigger and there was one for every robot. Let's say for this hypothetical question intakes can have the minor adjustments they would need to pick up boulders (if they can't already) and rules restricting these designs are not enforced.
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Re: How good would Power Up robots be at Stronghold?

Because of the platform slanting away from the bar in stronghold, I don't think we would be able to attach to the bar with the current design of our climber.
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Re: How good would Power Up robots be at Stronghold?

No 2018 robot would be able to reliably do defenses.
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No 2018 robot would be able to reliably do defenses.
Basically nobody could go under the low bar.

Our 2018 robot would have a real tough time with the rough terrain, rock wall, and ramparts (we had enough of a time with the ramp edge of the scale...) I'd be very worried about tipping over due to the angle of the cheval de fries, but maybe if we went slowly...

Maybe we could have adapted our fork mechanism to open the gate or lift the portcullis.

Our 2016 robot was built low-bar capable with big pneumatic tires, a way-overengineered chassis, and a drivetrain optimized for smashing through the defenses, catching air along the way. But, it did not climb and wasn't designed to shoot high.
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Basically nobody could go under the low bar.


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Re: How good would Power Up robots be at Stronghold?

I'm pretty sure we could go under the low bar, but other defenses wouldn't work. We would have done better in 2016 with our 2018 shooter robot, as we had a low goal then (and still got rookie all-star).
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Ironically I think there are many who would be able to do the drawbridge or sally port.
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Our 2016 robot was built low-bar capable with big pneumatic tires, a way-overengineered chassis, and a drivetrain optimized for smashing through the defenses, catching air along the way. But, it did not climb and wasn't designed to shoot high.
This basically sums up our 2016 robot also. Our 2018 robot on the other hand probably wouldn't handle stronghold very well. I'd be worried for the omni wheels on the front of it if we tried to cross a defense.
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Ironically I think there are many who would be able to do the drawbridge or sally port.
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The MilkenKnights 2018 robot can pick up and place Recycle Rush cans

Also, I’m confident that the 2018 1902 robot would be a top tier low goal bot in 2016.
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We've been practicing for this exact situtuation...
To be fair, your robot this year was extremely similar to your stronghold robot!
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Re: How good would Power Up robots be at Stronghold?

I really like the concept. I wonder how the bots would fare going over the defenses however.

Switch bots for the most part have little trouble, especially ones small enough to go under the low bar. But the Scale bots, without testing I can't be completely accurate but for the most part it seems the robots would tip. These bots were not built to go over obstacles they were built for flat ground (plus a slight incline to get to the rung.) It would be the bots with the low center of gravity that would fare best.

But seriously, off season competition anyone? I want to at least watch this.
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Re: How good would Power Up robots be at Stronghold?

I think if you had an entire regional of teams that thought they were going to play Power Up and then found out as soon as they got there that the game was Stronghold, you would probably see some surprisingly effective gameplay and strategies.

First off, shooter bots would dominate. By being able to cycle the high goal quickly and by being short, they would more or less just play the game normally. Scale bots with elevators would also be able to work effectively if they can toss the ball a decent distance into the high goal.

Many of the defenses would go untouched, and you would rarely see a defense RP show up. The most crossed ones would be the sally port, drawbridge, and portcullis, since elevator bots would be able to effectively move and cross those.
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This basically sums up our 2016 robot also. Our 2018 robot on the other hand probably wouldn't handle stronghold very well. I'd be worried for the omni wheels on the front of it if we tried to cross a defense.
We actually had to warn our drive team. In 2016 and 2017 our robots were overbuilt, low to the ground, and had no exposed mechanisms. We could -- and often did -- smash into field elements or other robots at full speed. Whether playing defense or having brutal defense played on us, the robot could take it.

This year we had to tell the drive team to be much more gentle with it, and there were a few "avoid at all cost" scenarios. Getting clotheslined by the scale at full speed, or tipping over such that our elevator took a direct hit, would surely result in broken belts or bent rails. Other teams playing hard defense on us sometimes resulted in damage to the intake end stops which made it very difficult to intake cubes.
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