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G28/G44/G45

Our team has been discussing how the whole G28/G44/G45 interactions will be interpreted by the referees. There are several Q&A entries on the subject, but they do not provide a very clear picture of what to expect. Here are two examples:

Q. Need clairification of G28/G44: Two questions below appear to contardict each other. A robot pushed into opposing robot is a foul but strategy to exploit this rule is a technical foul. How would it be determined whether it is a foul, no foul or technical foul?
FRC4055 2012-01-19
A. Contact prohibited in Rule [G28] will always result in a Foul. The Referees will make their best determination if contact was a strategic move and call a Technical-Foul and Red Card accordingly.

Q. Re: G44 "[G28] is an exception to this rule." [G28] Foul when a robot "touch an opponent Robot in contact with its Key, Alley or Bridge...No matter who initiates the contact see G44." Does Blue while contact with Blue Alley get a [G45] Red Card for purposeful touch of Red?
FRC3005 2012-01-20
A. That scenario is incredibly situation dependent and cannot be answered on this forum.

It appears that they will be relying on referees to judge intent, which is not an exact science. It will be difficult to have consistency between referees, events, etc. If the rules make each scenario so “situation dependent” that it “cannot be answered in this forum”, then how will referees be able to make consistent calls? The second questioner gets at the core question (I paraphrase): “Does Blue, while in contact with blue alley or Key, get a [G45] technical foul for intentionally touching Red?" I expect this situation to happen often. How will referees determine if intentional contact was part of a strategy? Will they interpret all intentional contact as being part of a strategy to exploit [G44]? There are a lot of reasons for intentional contact that aren’t part of an explicit strategy to exploit [G44]. Many will be ambiguous.

Here’s are two examples that we expect to see: 1) Red is in the key and lining up for a shot. Blue pulls up close to block the shot. Red intentionally pushed blue back while remaining in contact with the key. What if its not obvious that Blue is close enough to have blocked Red’s shot but Red still bumps them? When does it become a technical foul? 2) Red defense bot spends most (but not all) of its time on the red-lane side of the field and follows Blue whenever they enter the Red lane to collect a ball. Clearly intentional, but when will the referees deem it a strategy to exploit [G44]? In both examples, identical robot actions could be viewed either way – a recipe for disagreement. When does a legitimate tactical action become a strategy to exploit [G44]? Who gets the benefit of the doubt?

We had originally interpreted the G28/G44/G45 rules to mean that we should just stay well clear of our opponents’ lane and key. These Q&A responses almost provide an incentive to intentionally go there in hopes of drawing a 3 point foul against ourselves and a 9 point technical foul against our opponent (but perhaps against ourselves, too, if the referee thought it was part of a strategy…).

Please help me craft a Q&A submittal that might bring some clarity on the issue.
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