cRio-FRC in BOM

[Nate Laverdure]

EDIT: disregard my first point... didn't make sense! I stand by my second point, which is that:

I agree with nukem... I'm unable to understand how this is an issue.

EDIT2: I interpret [R13] Exception A to mean: items listed on the most recent revision of any year's KOP Checklist (qty is limited to the total listed)

[andreboos]

Originally Posted by Nate Laverdure

I interpret [R13] Exception A to mean: items listed on the most recent revision of any year's KOP Checklist (qty is limited to the total listed)

The 2007 Kit of Parts included four Victor motor controllers. This year's KOP included one. Would up to four Victors be exempt from cost calculations this year? By this interpretation, they would, and a team could include four Victors and four Jaguars without a cost penalty. This is not contradictory, but I doubt it is the intended effect of the rule.

However, this interpretation is necessary to make the 8-slot cRIO legal, which is clearly the intent.

The interpretation I prefer is this: items are exempt from cost calculations at the quantity they were last included in a kit of parts checklist.

This means that a single cRIO-FRC would be exempt from cost calculations, because the last checklist in which it was included (2011), has quantity one. Victors would be exempt up to quantity one, because one was included this year. Next year, if Victors are not included in the KOP, one would still be exempt from cost calculations.

[RufflesRidge]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

Check. CRio-FRCII allowed at no cost (1 on KoP checklist). CRio-FRC is allowed but at cost because qty on latest KoP is 0.

Here's what I don't get about this interpretation. Why use the word "any" at all if that's what they meant? The way you are interpreting that's not allowing you to exclude the cost of an item that was on "any" KOP checklist it's allowing you to do so for items on the 2012 KOP checklist. If that's what they meant that's what they would have said IMO (considering that's exactly what they did in R20 last year).

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by RufflesRidge

Here's what I don't get about this interpretation. Why use the word "any" at all if that's what they meant? The way you are interpreting that's not allowing you to exclude the cost of an item that was on "any" KOP checklist it's allowing you to do so for items on the 2012 KOP checklist. If that's what they meant that's what they would have said IMO (considering that's exactly what they did in R20 last year).

Their wording does seem to be contradictory. As such, I take it as the most restrictive (IE Qty 0). We only have an 8-slot CRio, so we're in the barrel, so to speak ... Hence, my statement that it's going to be interesting on Thursday.

[Nate Laverdure]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

CRio-FRC is allowed but at cost because qty on latest KoP is 0.

Can you point me toward the KOP Checklist with a listed quantity of "0" for the 8-slot cRIO?

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by Nate Laverdure

Can you point me toward the KOP Checklist with a listed quantity of "0" for the 8-slot cRIO?

Page 19

compactRIO
1
Rookie Kit
P/N: cRIO-FRC II
4-slot cRIO with Analog (9201), Digital (9403),
and Solenoid (9472) modules

Highlighted by me.
The only CRio identified in the most recent KoP checklist is the CRIO-FRCII.
There is no CRIO-FRC in the most recent KoP checklist, thus a qty of 0 in the most recent KoP checklist. As per their exact wording (Inside the parenthisis(sp?)), we cannot cost account the CRio-FRC at $0.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by jimwick

Surely that is not the intent. But Thursday at the Granite State Regional should be an interesting day.

Especially since they didn't address this in the last TU.

See you at GSR.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Hrm. You're correct that it should technically be costed since it's not in the 2012 KoP nor listed as an explicit exception. Practically speaking, it's a simple oversight by the GDC, since they didn't mandate the FRCII and they're not about to make about a thousand veteran bots illegal.

Definitely needs to be Q&A'd. If you can't/won't, then I will. Whoever does should point out that any exception written for it should exclude the possibility of a team using both an FRC and FRCII for free. (Someone totally would.)