Elimination Match Tie-Breaker

[Peyton Yeung]

Duke461

IIRC that also happened in the finals. I remember because my team helps by setting up and tearing down the event so we were there the entire time. It definitively makes it more nerve racking and I enjoy it.

[Craig Roys]

Originally Posted by Duke461

First, the favorite matches i remember in my FIRST history was at the 2010 IRI competition. I believe it was the semifinals or so. If my memory serves me correctly, 33 and 1718 (and maybe some other teams) kept hanging at the last second. There were 2 or 3 tie matches and i believe it ended up going to 5 matches (TBA doesn't have results for it). By far the best FIRST experience I've had, and it was because of the ties.

It was 33, 1718, 70, and 51. We went against 1114 and 2056 - I can't remember who the 3rd and 4th teams were. If I remember correctly, we lost the 1st, tied 16-16 (or something like that) in the 2nd, then won to even it up, then had a 20-20 tie, before losing in the 5th match. Those were very fun matches - too bad we didn't come out on top. We also did that in Atlanta on Newton field in the semis - we advanced in 4 games, the 2 victories were split by 2 ties.

I don't know that I feel strongly on the subject of ties or tie-breakers in the elims. I can see the arguments from both sides. I do understand the desire from the event coordination standpoint of being able to time the length of the finals better...but triple overtime can be a lot of fun too!

[IndySam]

I was extremely disappointed by the boos at Boilermaker when the results were first announced.

Teams should know the tournament rules.

[jason701802]

Originally Posted by IndySam

I was extremely disappointed by the boos at Boilermaker when the results were first announced.

Teams should know the tournament rules.

Even if they do know the rules, it doesn't mean the teams should be happy with them.

[BigJ]

Originally Posted by jason701802

Even if they do know the rules, it doesn't mean the teams should be happy with them.

Would they have booed if the tiebreaker went in their favor?

The right time to be in disagreement is before it matters, not when it is convenient.

edit: I do not know if said people had voiced their disapproval in the tiebreaker process before the regional

[jason701802]

Originally Posted by BigJ

Would they have booed if the tiebreaker went in their favor?

The right time to be in disagreement is before it matters, not when it is convenient.

edit: I do not know if said people had voiced their disapproval in the tiebreaker process before the regional

I'm sure not all of the booing was from the losing teams (although I did not see the match in question). Personally I would hate to win a match via this tiebreaker. We won a few matches last year because of red-cards, and I can't even say I'm proud of those matches.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by jason701802

I'm sure not all of the booing was from the losing teams (although I did not see the match in question). Personally I would hate to win a match via this tiebreaker. We won a few matches last year because of red-cards, and I can't even say I'm proud of those matches.

A win is a win is a win.
If you did nothing to lose it then you should have nothing to hang your head over.
I witnessed a tiebreaker coming into play twice this year and once last year at FLR.
In the 2011 FLR finals I thought 2056 and 217 were eating 1126 and 340 alive and then 1126 and 340 got first and second place in the minibot race to tie the score. When it was revealed that the winner of the minibot race gets the tiebreaker to win the match the audience was quite surprised. But the more i Thought about it and th teams involved I bet 1126 and 340 knew they couldn't compete with those two juggernauts placing tube but if they could keep them in range they could get them with the minibots and snatch away victory. And that just made me shake my head at how clever and brilliant that was.

[ghostmachine360]

The tiebreaker was a great addition to the rules in the game. However, I wish more teams were more knowledgeable about how the tiebreaker clause worked during the Peachtree eliminations; it was not fun being a referee after the semis, with something that looked like a FMS mistake initially to everyone except the field crew (scorekeepers & referees). The drive teams were NOT happy after the score came up on the screen.......

[artdutra04]

Originally Posted by jason701802

Personally I would hate to win a match via this tiebreaker.

Why?

If you win a match via a tiebreaker, it means your alliance played cleaner, scored more in autonomous, or scored more bridge points.

[huberje]

Originally Posted by artdutra04

Why?

If you win a match via a tiebreaker, it means your alliance played cleaner, scored more in autonomous, or scored more bridge points.

It also means that even though your alliance received bonus points worth more than regular scoring, the opposing alliance played well enough (and basketed more balls) to meet your score. The potential issue is that in some cases, an alliance lost simply because someone decided they liked seeing alliances use the bridge or score hybrid points more than scoring during teleop.

[JABot67]

There was an absolute tie at Detroit Quarterfinals 3 Match 3. Same foul points, hybrid points, bridge points, and teleop points. The match had to be replayed.

Edit: Here's a photo:

[bduddy]

I have to say I'm more of a fan of replaying tied matches - as long as everything is according to schedule (which it seems it mostly has been this year), it adds to the drama and fun for spectators...

[Billfred]

Originally Posted by bduddy

I have to say I'm more of a fan of replaying tied matches - as long as everything is according to schedule (which it seems it mostly has been this year), it adds to the drama and fun for spectators...

I will concede that the drama could be improved on--the deciding point isn't really related well on-screen since we all see the score at the buzzer. I imagine a tie-breaker screen running down the deciding criteria would improve it, though I also wouldn't bet on them making such a change to the FMS midseason.

[akoscielski3]

Originally Posted by bduddy

I have to say I'm more of a fan of replaying tied matches - as long as everything is according to schedule (which it seems it mostly has been this year), it adds to the drama and fun for spectators...

Agreed

[jyh947]

Originally Posted by JABot67

There was an absolute tie at Detroit Quarterfinals 3 Match 3. Same foul points, hybrid points, bridge points, and teleop points. The match had to be replayed.

Edit: Here's a photo:

Nice photo.