Top 3 Bots in YOUR State

[EricH]

Originally Posted by class1234567

Why do people keep saying that kansas city is a week regional when the facts show that teams from kansas city won other regionals and did well at champs. So can someone explain to me how these where the easier teams.?

1114.
2056.
67.
548.
2410.
254.
16.
1986.
233.
1717.
1730.
1987.
111.
1625.


Of those 14 teams, which ones are nationally known as being good teams?

Or, a shorter list, which ones aren't nationally recognized as being perennially good teams? (2410, 1986, 1987, 1730)*

Now, which of those teams were at Kansas City? (16, 2410, 1730, 1986, 1987) What other teams that might have a lot of national/world recognition were there?

Take Midwest. Take Queen City. Take Central Valley. Take Orlando. Take St. Louis Regional. Who did they have on that list that was nationally recognized?

You ask why Kansas City is considered a weak regional when teams from that regional did well elsewhere too. I ask you, how many of the teams at Kansas City are known to the FRC community at large to do well, year in and year out, year after year?

The answer: One. I'll give you three more halves--I can think of at least three that were there that are what I'd call "on the way", but it might be a year or two. I'll give you one more half for some of the teams for whom it might be 4-5 years. Add them all up. In a 64-team event, 3 teams known to the FRC community at large--when a 66-team event can summon a good, solid, 5-6 teams without going into half-teams that are up and coming--is not exactly a strong regional in terms of recognition.

What are you going to do about it? Quit whining about how "our regional is as tough as yours but you say it's weak", and start getting some good solid upper-echelon robots known out there in the nation at large, and us saying it's a weak regional will take care of itself. Go beat some of the best at their home events--or better yet, at the Championship. And not just in one year, but in two or three years. How else do you think Michigan got its reputation for good teams? How about Midwest as a tough regional?


*This statment is not meant as a slight against these teams. The Fantasy FIRSTers would probably consider any one of them slipping to the second round of drafting--or worse, third round--to be a huge error on multiple people's parts, and a tremendous steal at that point in the draft, depending of course on event size and who else is there. But, there aren't that many bold enough to play the Season Long league...

[dodar]

I think what Eric is talking about is what people think are the best teams from each state from conception. But what the OP wanted was the best bots from each state this year.

But another thing I will say is that if you talk to kids on teams now, you might get differeing views from what long standing FIRST members might say as dominant or relevant teams. Now you will get alot of the same names being hailed as top teams(i.e. 1114, 67, 254, etc.) but you may also get names like 469, 1986, 548, 2056 because the kids in FIRST now, don't have the historical knowledge that older members do.

So to say that this team is better than this team because of their record, even though length of teams might be different, is irrelevant because if you asked a 2nd year team member from a team who attended OKC they might say 1986 is the best from the region because of the recent success that they have had. But if you asked someone who has been on a team for atleast 5-7 years from around FIRST, they will tell you that 16 easily rules the OKC region in terms of accomplishments.

[Laaba 80]

Originally Posted by EricH

You ask why Kansas City is considered a weak regional when teams from that regional did well elsewhere too. I ask you, how many of the teams at Kansas City are known to the FRC community at large to do well, year in and year out, year after year?

This is poor reasoning to determine the strength of a regional that has already happened.

The Wisconsin regional this year is a perfect example. Many people ignored Wisconsin to watch Midwest, who had 111, 71, 148, 16, and 1625. Wisconsin had 2194, 2826, 1714, 48, 1732, and 2169, less known, yet all of whom at least advanced to the semi finals in their divisions. The average qualification scores were 16.2 for Midwest, and 25.0 for WI, and the average elimination scores were 41.3 for Midwest and 56.3 for WI, which was the 4th highest among all regionals/districts this year. Needless to say, people missed some pretty awesome competition.

Relating that back to this scenario, the average qual scores at KC were 19.0, and elim scores were 43.4. compared to the 16.2 and 41.3 at Midwest.

[Alpha Beta]

Originally Posted by EricH

1114.
2056.
67.
548.
2410.
254.
16.
1986.
233.
1717.
1730.
1987.
111.
1625.


Of those 14 teams, which ones are nationally known as being good teams?

I'm confused. The regionals in question were 1625's Midwest and Lake Superior as compared to 1208's "watered down" Kansas City and St. Louis. On your list 2056, 67, 548, 254, 233, and 1717 attended none of those regionals and have no bearing on the comparison. Reputation is valuable before the event. In hindsight, actual performance would seem a better gauge to judge the strength of a regional. I'll grant you that 1208's St. Louis regional is probably the weakest of the 4.

A decent gauge in my opinion would be the number of teams at a regional who make it to the elimination portion of the world championship.

KC = 5 (1 world champion, 1 division semifinalist, 3 division quarterfinalists, 11 not selected)
MW = 4 (1 world champion, 3 division quarterfinalist, 4 not selected)
LS = 3 (2 division finalists, 1 division semifinalist, 9 not selected.)
SL = 1 (1 division quarterfinalist, 8 not selected.)

Midwest has a great reputation. The level of competition this year was hurt by having Wisconsin on the same weekend. This year the KC regional had more teams qualify for the world championship, advance to the elimination rounds, and advance further in the tournament than any of the other 3 regionals in question. (Wisconsin had several metrics that outperformed both KC and MW this year and probably would have made MW much stronger if the two regionals had not conflicted.)

Originally Posted by EricH

And not just in one year, but in two or three years.

Again, this entire thread is about this year.

[avanboekel]

Originally Posted by class1234567

Why do people keep saying that kansas city is a week regional when the facts show that teams from kansas city won other regionals and did well at champs. So can someone explain to me how these where the easier teams.?

My point wasn't that they were easier teams, but that it was a week 1 regional. Teams typically get better throughout the competition season. Matches from a second or third regional should carry more weight than those from their first. While 1208 proved to be a good team early in the season, they didn't make eliminations at champs (where it matters most).

[Barry Bonzack]

Originally Posted by Barry Bonzack

Innitially, this is what I would have suggested.... but since the title of the thread doesn't specify i'm going to go with

1st FTC 4997, who won the championship of every competition they attendend, including worlds

2nd FRC 180, Winners of the world championship

3rd FLL Hammerheads, winning the state championship the 3rd consecutive year, winners of two 2nd place trophies at the World Invitational Open

Originally Posted by dodar

That is a unique way to look at it. But I also took from it that it was this year's bots

All 3 of those teams DID perform that well in 2012.

I genuinely ask the FIRST community not out of complete bias, but out of the fact I am not aware of all powerhouse FTC and FLL teams worldwide...Are there any other states that had 2012 success comparable to Florida when combining all three levels of FIRST?

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Barry Bonzack

I genuinely ask the FIRST community not out of complete bias, but out of the fact I am not aware of all powerhouse FTC and FLL teams worldwide...Are there any other states that had 2012 success comparable to Florida when combining all three levels of FIRST?

Ontario FLL team the Strawberry Saviours placed second overall at the North American Open in Carlsbad, California, where my team placed in the top 8 last year

[Alexa Stott]

Originally Posted by Barry Bonzack

All 3 of those teams DID perform that well in 2012.

I genuinely ask the FIRST community not out of complete bias, but out of the fact I am not aware of all powerhouse FTC and FLL teams worldwide...Are there any other states that had 2012 success comparable to Florida when combining all three levels of FIRST?

I know FTC 4220 from NJ did very well at CMP. They won the Inspire award, were finalists for a few other awards, and were the CMP finalists. They won two state championships and were finalists at another.

I don't know much (read: anything) about FLL in NJ so I can't comment on that.

[O'Sancheski]

Connecticut is 2168, 177, and 195

[smistthegreat]

I'm familiar with upstate New York, but I can't really post a top 3 for the State without knowing much about the NYC/Long Island teams.

[rsisk]

CA 1717, 971, 254

[GRT808]

HI, 359, 368, 1056

[Andrew Schreiber]

FL - 180, 233, 1065

[BleakRNS]

For Arizona, I'd say 842, 2486, and 2840.

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

Originally Posted by BleakRNS

For Arizona, I'd say 842, 2486, and 2840.

I would actually say its a big tie for third between 2840, 498, 2449, 1492 with maybe 2449 with a slight advantage. We are also very flattered.