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Re: Shooting full court?

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We are very interested in running the 2013 game simulator you mentioned. Where can we find it???
I would assume he is talking about Catalyst 2013, released by Diamond Bullet Studios. It was one of the pieces of software we got access to in the virtual kit as can be seen on the kit of pars home.
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...c/kit-of-parts
Follow this next link to download the simulation.
http://www.dbsgames.net/
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I am sure that at least one team will try this and have reasonable success.....until the frisbeeswarp. We all know that this will happen, but no one seems to consider it as a factor.
I thought about this until I fooled around with the frisbees. They're made from a different plastic than an "ultimate" frisbee and are much more rigid. When flexed, they quickly return to their original shape. I doubt we'll see many problems with warped discs at competition.
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Re: Shooting full court?

I could definitely see shooting for the highest goal being pretty darn difficult to dial in after extensive testing but because of the obvious height differences and dimensions, I could totally see it occurring in the middle goals. Also, the window to shoot in this year is varied dimensions per height and not an exact circle just placed at different heights.
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Re: Shooting full court?

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I could definitely see shooting for the highest goal being pretty darn difficult to dial in after extensive testing but because of the obvious height differences and dimensions, I could totally see it occurring in the middle goals. Also, the window to shoot in this year is varied dimensions per height and not an exact circle just placed at different heights.
The high goal is only a few inches higher than the 2 pointers, but it's only 12 inches high as opposed to 21 for the middle goals -- so if you shoot at the high goal from the feeder station, you need to have at most a 5-6 inch height variation at a range of 50 feet -- and height of 114 inches -- to be able to score every disc from the feeder station.
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Re: Shooting full court?

We would love a full court shooter on our alliance, if they miss a bunch of shots, we could pick them up in the auto zone and score them in the high goal! Saves us time going back to the feeder station.
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I will give you a cookie if you can show me an actual FRC team that fields a full court shooter with a percentage higher than 30%.
From all these videos being posted of shooters shooting further than the length of the field accurately, how many cookies were you planning on giving out?
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Re: Shooting full court?

It seems reasonably likely (at least to me) we will see a fair number of full-court capable shooters based on all the videos people are posting. I believe the best shooting teams will just keep that as a capability on their robot and use it if there are no capable defenders against them as it's an incredibly high scoring strategy. Then if someone is capable or willing to play defense, they will just zip down field and make closer shots that can't be as easily blocked.

We are building a climbing robot first, shooting second and so our range is no where near this far. But in all our strategy sessions, we did talk about what we would do if it was a shooter first and it looked something like what I've posted above.

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Re: Shooting full court?

This is our shooter at full court and this is our shooter at half court
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Re: Shooting full court?

So many long range shooter videos.I think that if I had a full court shooter and needed to pick an alliance partner I would choose an 84" tall defense bot to stop this madness.=0
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So many long range shooter videos.I think that if I had a full court shooter and needed to pick an alliance partner I would choose an 84" tall defense bot to stop this madness.=0
I'd rather pick an otherwise good robot (e.g. auto scoring, smart drive team, good reliable drivetrain, other strong defense tactics*) and put a 84" pole/net on top if we need it. Bonus if we can slap on a cylinder/steal a solenoid and make it go <=60" to 84". It's easier to get taller than shorter. Keep your CG low and be ready to become a 'wall' if need be, but I'm not sure why to make a big deal out of the ability.

That said, can you full court shooter get over an 84" tall defender if one of your (short) allies sits between you two? Depending on how high you shoot from, rising 24" over a span of 36-54" shouldn't be too bad. If you're accurate enough, you'd probably still score more than the two of you would individually otherwise.

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From all these videos being posted of shooters shooting further than the length of the field accurately, how many cookies were you planning on giving out?
No one's called me on it yet, and I don't expect them to. Those shooter videos are poor simulations of game conditions. They are perfectly lined up, with no robots and pyramid in the way, and those shooters don't have to worry about defenders. We won't be seeing that much in actual game play (and never in regards to the pyramid).

Also, looking at last year indicates that few robots will be able to pull off full court shots. Given, frisbees are more consistent than those awful foam balls. Last year, we saw a fair number of full court shot videos, and essentialy no robots that bothered to shoot full court. But, it's a lot more possible to shoot full court this year, given the aerodynamics of frisbees. So I suspect that we'll see a few teams that shoot full court.

The 30% comes from my belief that it's just hard to hit a target acurately in FRC. Simbotics had a percentage around 60% last year, usually at very close range. Half that seems like a reasonable number.
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No one's called me on it yet, and I don't expect them to. Those shooter videos are poor simulations of game conditions. They are perfectly lined up, with no robots and pyramid in the way, and those shooters don't have to worry about defenders. We won't be seeing that much in actual game play (and never in regards to the pyramid).

Also, looking at last year indicates that few robots will be able to pull off full court shots. Given, frisbees are more consistent than those awful foam balls. Last year, we saw a fair number of full court shot videos, and essentialy no robots that bothered to shoot full court. But, it's a lot more possible to shoot full court this year, given the aerodynamics of frisbees. So I suspect that we'll see a few teams that shoot full court.

The 30% comes from my belief that it's just hard to hit a target acurately in FRC. Simbotics had a percentage around 60% last year, usually at very close range. Half that seems like a reasonable number.
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If we shoot 3/4 the court, can we get 3/4 a cookie?

I expect my cookie at Sacramento.
Well...

To reiterate, the bet was that there would be no team in FRC that could shoot full court and make more than 30% of shots. I'll clarify that by defining "full court" as from the alliance feeder stations or behind, and "30%" as making that percentage of three or two point shots over either Quals or Elims. Let's agree that making one hail mary shot does not count.
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Re: Shooting full court?

We can shoot full court pretty well actually. It is accurate too.

VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzIke...er_profilepage


We are planning on shooting full court most of the time. Unlike last year, frisbee's are more stable and accurate while traveling long distances.
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We can shoot full court pretty well actually. It is accurate too.

VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzIke...er_profilepage


We are planning on shooting full court most of the time. Unlike last year, frisbee's are more stable and accurate while traveling long distances.
But like last year a defensive robot can be 84" tall on their side of the court. How exactly are you guys planning to combat a wall?
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