Where are you going to hang?

[danopia]

Originally Posted by lcoreyl

I agree, although how does the rule work if you are tipped on your side? Does the 54" cylinder tip along with you? Or does the cylinder stay vertical while you are tipped making your reach only add to your height?

The cylinder stays vertical. (more)

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

I agree with this. Before yesterday I would have said 30, but now with a little CAD and G23 (the 54" cylinder rule), it's looking much more like a 10 point hang. I'm going to be very impressed with teams that manage to fit in that cylinder and still hang for 30 points. It's possible, it's just not easy.

Exactly! G23 has been the biggest hurde that we have run up against so far. I think we now have a "concept" that can do it. Although after looking at the model for the pyramid, moving from 2 to 3 is not exactly the same as moving from 1 to 2....so that will probably be the next hurdle.

Getting to 30pts is not an easy task. Lots of people are saying they will do it, but I bet only a few will.

[MysterE]

In analyzing the strategy, I'd much rather be a bot that could shoot auto and hang than even worry about teloperated. Remember, when it comes to FMS rankings, you are looking at A) Game Win, B) Auto Score, C) Climb Score.

[$wimmer3138]

I plan on creating a second poll at the end of the build season to see how people change their minds because i believe the poll results will be completely different.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by MysterE

In analyzing the strategy, I'd much rather be a bot that could shoot auto and hang than even worry about teloperated. Remember, when it comes to FMS rankings, you are looking at A) Game Win, B) Auto Score, C) Climb Score.

That should only be a team's midnset when going into Championships. But for thinking about winning a regional, you should build to score high in Auto and Tele-Op and then hang. If you build a robot for say Orlando(week 2) and you can score 2-4 in the 3pt in Auto and then score 10-15 in the 3pt in Tele-Op and then hang 10pt, thats 52-79pts. That will win you that regional, most likely as the #1 seed captain. More often than not, winning a regional by getting seeded usually plays out i the W/L column.

Vs. someone that builds a 1pt dumper and 30 point hanger that gets you maybe 46-50pts in that same match. Doing this kind of robot will also make your end score highly dependent on one factor of the match.(i.e. your livelyhood at that regional depends on you getting to the 3rd level of that pyramid, no if, ands, or buts)

[Kellen Hill]

Next poll question mainly targeted at those attempting the 30 point hang.

Are you hanging on the inside or the outside of the pyramid?



Once it comes to picking alliances for eliminations, you had better make sure you only have one interior climber on your alliance. Doesn't seem like there will be room for more than one robot when it comes to 30 point hanging on the inside.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by thetimemachine

Same for us...if you can get from 1 to 2 what is stopping you from getting from 2 to 3?

Right now? That darn pyramid goal above the third rung. Your climbing mechanism can only stick up 7"-8" above a rung. Any more than that, and you run into the bottom of the pyramid goal.

[midway78224]

We plan to hang from level one and work our way up to level 3 depending on time.

[nuggetsyl]

Low and to the left.

[waialua359]

Its interesting and quite surprising to see the majority say 30 point hang.
One things for sure........you'll see teams go to the feeder station, grab 4 frisbees, and shoot them for 12 points faster than a team takes to go from levels 2-3 on the hang bonus.

[Jakester9999]

This is very interesting. If they do take the time to climb to the 30 point rung for the whole match, that leaves the match to be a 2 on 3 competiton.... One less robot in the way on the field, but could possibly mean double teaming for defense....

[mrnoble]

I have a 10-ish year history with FIRST, and can't recall there ever being a robot in competition that was intentionally immobile on the floor. This may be the year, as it seems a very viable approach to the game to simply hang for 30.

I agree with the previous poster who said that teams usually overestimate how many points will win a match in a regional. Yes, there are always teams that have elegant, simple, effective machines that do almost everything well, and they will show up this year. Their matches will be blowouts. But since, at most regionals, they comprise about 2-5 teams, most of the other matches will be low scoring, and will be decided by robots that perform consistently. I like the idea that a robot with a backhoe bucket and no shooter could score 15 points in zone one by scooping up all the missed shots and dumping them. I like that a 10 or 30 point hang could mean a win, from a bot that does little else.

This could be a great year, in my opinion.

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

I have a 10-ish year history with FIRST, and can't recall there ever being a robot in competition that was intentionally immobile on the floor. This may be the year, as it seems a very viable approach to the game to simply hang for 30.

I agree with the previous poster who said that teams usually overestimate how many points will win a match in a regional. Yes, there are always teams that have elegant, simple, effective machines that do almost everything well, and they will show up this year. Their matches will be blowouts. But since, at most regionals, they comprise about 2-5 teams, most of the other matches will be low scoring, and will be decided by robots that perform consistently. I like the idea that a robot with a backhoe bucket and no shooter could score 15 points in zone one by scooping up all the missed shots and dumping them. I like that a 10 or 30 point hang could mean a win, from a bot that does little else.

This could be a great year, in my opinion.

Although our team's attempt wont be to build a robot that only focuses on the bonus points, I can definitely see picking one of those types of bots as alliance partners to strengthen an alliance................if they can do it every time.

[Donut]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

I have a 10-ish year history with FIRST, and can't recall there ever being a robot in competition that was intentionally immobile on the floor. This may be the year, as it seems a very viable approach to the game to simply hang for 30.

While not immobile in the literal sense of the word, 469 in 2010 and 71 in 2002 were very close to it since driving around the field was not part of their strategy (71 did not have the ability to turn that year, only drive forward/reverse).


Really the title of this thread should be "Where do you think you are going to try to hang?" because there is no way that more teams will climb to the 30 point level than the 10 point level. I'll be curious how many teams even have a mechanism to attempt a 30 point climb at the end of build, let alone one that actually works well.

[JJackson]

Maybe 2056 will roll to the top?