Car Nack Prredicts 13-1

[Car Nack]

Car Nack Predicts 13-1

There will be some Regionals where no robot will score a 30 point climb.

Car Nack has spoken.

[Racer26]

Car Nack is BACK! Woo!

I want to concur with Car Nack on this one, but I can only think of one or two regionals with sufficiently shallow fields that I would consider it a possibility.

[mwmac]

Agreed!

[wilsonmw04]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

Car Nack is BACK! Woo!

I want to concur with Car Nack on this one, but I can only think of one or two regionals with sufficiently shallow fields that I would consider it a possibility.

I don't think it's a lack of a strong field. I think it's more of a function of the difficulty of the task. I will go out on a limb and say that the majority of the regionals will not have 30 point climb.

[Basel A]

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04

I don't think it's a lack of a strong field. I think it's more of a function of the difficulty of the task. I will go out on a limb and say that the majority of the regionals will not have 30 point climb.

I almost agree with you, but it's hard to predict, especially so early in the season. I'd guess anywhere from 40-60% won't have a 30-point climb. I'd be confident to say 40%, though. Either way, Car Nack's prediction sounds like a no-brainer to me.

[Racer26]

I don't know, it depends a lot on the value proposition by the elite teams. If the teams like 1114, 2056, 148, 217, 254, 1625, 1717, 469, 233, 365, 341, and more decide to go for it, they will likely succeed. How many events don't have at least one perennial powerhouse in attendance?

The only one I know of is Montreal.

[wilsonmw04]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

... How many events don't have at least one perennial powerhouse in attendance?...

More unlikely than likely.

[Mr. Lim]

Painful, but true.

To add my own twist to this...

During 1st week, I think over 50% of >10pt climb attempts will (or should) be illegal due to robots breaking the 54" cylinder rule.

Teams won't take into account that a) the bumpers are included in the cylinder, or b) the cylinder is always projected vertically from the floor.

You can't reach forward very far, or have your robot tip very much while climbing.

[MARS_James]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lim

Painful, but true.

To add my own twist to this...

During 1st week, I think over 50% of >10pt climb attempts will (or should) be illegal due to robots breaking the 54" cylinder rule.

Teams won't take into account that a) the bumpers are included in the cylinder, or b) the cylinder is always projected vertically from the floor.

You can't reach forward very far, or have your robot tip very much while climbing.

Where does it say that invalidates the climb I thought it would be just a normal penalty

[Mr. Lim]

Originally Posted by MARS_James

Where does it say that invalidates the climb I thought it would be just a normal penalty

Good point.

We were having this discussion about repeatedly + intentionally breaking the rules. The example in another thread was repeatedly carrying 6 alliance frisbees instead of 4 because the points scored outweigh the penalty. Or possessing more than 4 frisbees in autonomous mode. I don't think any of these things are in the spirit of the game... but...

Yes, illegal might just mean that you take the penalty... but the climb still counts.

I guess we'll find out soon enough!

[waialua359]

I think we will hardly see any 30 point climbs at most regionals this year.
The problem wont be that teams cant climb, I find the problem to be creating a robot that can do it, without breaking the 54" cylinder rule while climbing AND having a robot that scores discs.
It seems that the limitations this year has almost forced teams to create a one function robot.
Of course, you have the teams that can/will do everything and well. However, that wont be the majority of teams participating this year.
The footprint rule constraint which includes the bumpers is a challenging one, especially when we see shooter designs that take up almost the entire 112" perimeter as well.

Thank God for SolidWorks.

[MisterG]

The rules don't seem to be specific about the consequences of violating R3 (size constraints) could be more Q&A fodder.

The OP prediction may come true but by the same token there will be several regionals with 4-5 bots that will score 30 point climbs.

[MOE]

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[Conor Ryan]

Oh Great Car Nack, thank you for great insight, for perhaps we have forgotten the ways of our elders.

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson

Some new rules will be in place for Car Nack's Corner.

#1 Only Car Nack and Son of Car Nack (and rarely a few others) will be allowed to start a thread.

#2 All replies to the thread will be screened by a monitor (probably me, but perhaps Car Nack and Son, and a few others at times) that will approve the messages before they are viewable.

#3 ALMOST ALL REPLIES WILL BE REJECTED WITHOUT RHYME OR REASON GIVEN. If the reply is funny, or clever, or significant, or in some other way strikes the fancy of the monitor, your message will be approved, but don't expect it.

#4 I will give negative reputation as often as I can at every opportunity to any user who whines or complains about this forum ;-) Seriously though, nobody wants to hear it, especially me. Life is unfair, this forum included. Where is the news in that?

[Libby K]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lim

Good point.

We were having this discussion about repeatedly + intentionally breaking the rules. The example in another thread was repeatedly carrying 6 alliance frisbees instead of 4 because the points scored outweigh the penalty. Or possessing more than 4 frisbees in autonomous mode. I don't think any of these things are in the spirit of the game... but...

Yes, illegal might just mean that you take the penalty... but the climb still counts.

I guess we'll find out soon enough!

....I'm not one for intense, snap-judgements on CD (or at least posting them 'aloud') but that has got to be one of the most idiotic ideas I've ever heard.

If you don't want to play in the spirit of the game, JUST STOP PLAYING.
Don't worry, that horrendous attitude towards getting around the rules? It won't be missed. Not one bit.

Might I bring this up again, because it clearly needs to be revisited:

Originally Posted by Team Update from 2012

To quote Woodie, “FIRST does not celebrate being an incompetent jerk. FIRST does celebrate high-quality, well-informed work done in a manner that leaves everyone feeling valued.” In other words, bullying, coercion, and unsportsmanlike conduct have no place in FIRST.

I'm really disappointed that strategies like that even cross people's minds. We're supposed to be better than that, as a community. Why stoop to that level?