Bag & tag mistake

[Al Skierkiewicz]

safig,
Have you been able to get through to the team in question?

[divixsoft]

I would just say $@#$@#$@#$@# it. They made a mistake but not competing is just stupid. It would also just be unfair to the students.

[Garten Haeska]

If they do have to take a time penalty, I know that my team, nice as we are, would do the same. We bagged our robot well on time around 6:30, but just because they limit their robot to being unbagged until a certain time if that happens, our team would not unbag until they could as well. Just imagine if you got the entire regional to back up the rookies and take the penalty that they get. JMHO.

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

What regional is the team going to? Waco's smack in the middle of Texas, so any team near you could've ended up at Lone Star, Dallas, or Alamo. I ask because I know the Regional Director for Lone Star, and she's a pretty strong advocate for rookies. If the team is going to Lone Star and gets in touch with her, I'm certain she'll work something out so they can compete.

I wonder why?

[Mr.Frishman]

Also it should be noted that the team will not have the registration fee refunded. That alone should be enough to call FIRST and tell them what happened. I dont think that the penalty will be death.

[Tristan Lall]

Originally Posted by Garten Haeska

If they do have to take a time penalty, I know that my team, nice as we are, would do the same. We bagged our robot well on time around 6:30, but just because they limit their robot to being unbagged until a certain time if that happens, our team would not unbag until they could as well. Just imagine if you got the entire regional to back up the rookies and take the penalty that they get. JMHO.

Why? To protest against something? To make them feel better?

[Bob Steele]

Originally Posted by Tristan Lall

Why? To protest against something? To make them feel better?

To Garten...
I have to agree with Tristan... I know you feel like you want to be nice but remember that this will call attention to this team and will put peer pressure on other teams that need those extra hours BECAUSE they put their robot in the bag on bag day.

I think a better thing to do would be to have some team members go to them and ask what they can do to make the shorter time more productive for them. Help them get ready.

You can offer all the help they can use ... get your robot done...and inspected so you can devote time to helping them get theirs ready to go.

If you all sit around waiting... when this team unbags you will will all be unbagging and no one will be available to help them.

The other reason not to do this would be the extra strain you will put on your inspectors... less time to do inspections... all crowded into the end of the day... not good...

[toastnbacon]

Yah, under no circumstance should a team not get to participate in one of the greatest weekends of the year just because they didn't understand something. There's enough I don't understand that I don't want to get penalized for it. I honestly don't think any team would mind having a rookie team that has an advantage of a few short hours.

[toastnbacon]

That's not to say that I think they should or shouldn't get penalized, but I don't think many (if any) would object either way.

[Tem1514 Mentor]

Now if we follow the rules to the letter (this is "real life") then they should not be allowed to continue this year. Would it serve that team or for that matter be in the best interests of FIRST. Not really so just let the team in question come and play and add just rack up some life time experience.

Yet another reason to review bag and tag and is it really needed?

[Seth Mallory]

If the team is/was going to Houston then 192 would be willing to help build a pit robot. We have shipped our stuff already so they would have to bring their COTS and KOP parts. If needed maybe another team could bring a spare frame kit. It would not be the first time and 192 and others would be willing to help.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by Seth Mallory

If the team is/was going to Houston then 192 would be willing to help build a pit robot. We have shipped our stuff already so they would have to bring their COTS and KOP parts. If needed maybe another team could bring a spare frame kit. It would not be the first time and 192 and others would be willing to help.

Oh the numbers of pit robots I have seen built at Lone Star.... I wish there was an update on this situation so we could all make plans to help or not as necessary.

[Bertman]

I think this is a simple mistake that can be rectified. It would have been simple enough for them to have lied by falsifying the bag form. That honesty should be recognized but there should also be a consequence for the mistake.

Leave it up to the regional director and FIRST. Then we can help them as needed at the competition.

[safiq10]

okay so apparently the team made a team decision saying they don't want to continue cause they had their hands on the robot for 3 days and they aren't amazing. I really which this team could compete but they did a team decision. UNLESS we use the power of the internet and turn that decision around. (the team were talking about which isn't the 2950- the devastators, or the metallic clouds and are the only other team in Waco... SHH I didn't say anything)

[Moriarty]

Originally Posted by safiq10

okay so apparently the team made a team decision saying they don't want to continue cause they had their hands on the robot for 3 days and they aren't amazing. I really which this team could compete but they did a team decision. UNLESS we use the power of the internet and turn that decision around. (the team were talking about which isn't the 2950- the devastators, or the metallic clouds and are the only other team in Waco... SHH I didn't say anything)

First: Why is it necessary to try to hint at what team it is? It feels a little juvenile as if you are trying to ostracize them, especially with the "SHH I didn't say anything" part. (I could be reading into it wrong though, and if I am, I apologize)

Second: Passing up a regional because the robot isn't "awesome" is not what FIRST is about. They should still try to work something out with FIRST. It isn't really about the competition -- it's about the teams and inspiration. Even if nothing can be worked out with FIRST (which I doubt), as others said, they can build a bot at the competition. Someone paid that $5000 entry fee, and I would hope that money isn't completely wasted. If all else fails, they should still go to the event. It's worth it.

With that said, I suspect this thread is not going to make any changes as the point of contact does not seem to be someone who is a credible source, nor someone who is actually in contact with the team. The tone seems to be leaning towards "I heard this team didn't bag and I'm going to go tell people about it but dodge around the topic to make it seem like I am not gossiping". Again, I apologize profusely if I read this wrong, but the diction in the posts tells me otherwise.

EDIT: I apologize -- I probably did read this wrong. I was just frustrated at all of the dodging in the post