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Re: High Score

Out of curiosity: What is the average score of the matches so far? How many points would you assume a team needs to get to move on to elims in an average regional?
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Re: High Score

Average scores so far:
  • BAE: 54
  • FLR: 43
  • Traverse: 38
  • Kettering: 38
  • Palmeto: 36
  • Hub City: 32
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Re: High Score

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Average scores so far:
  • BAE: 54
  • FLR: 43
  • Traverse: 38
  • Kettering: 38
  • Palmeto: 36
  • Hub City: 32
Does that include practice matches?
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Re: High Score

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Average scores so far:
  • BAE: 54
  • FLR: 43
  • Traverse: 38
  • Kettering: 38
  • Palmeto: 36
  • Hub City: 32
Sounds like a strong autonomous (18pts) plus a 30 point summit sans dump would win you a majority of your matches. On a different note, a 7 disc autonomous would win you the match before you even touch the controls...
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Sounds like a strong autonomous (18pts) plus a 30 point summit sans dump would win you a majority of your matches. On a different note, a 7 disc autonomous would win you the match before you even touch the controls...
But if those averages include practices they are not a true indicator of scores. I know we personally will not be scoring as much during practices as we will be taking it slower due to no practice for our drivers this year...and we also need to get our autonomous set up
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Re: High Score

Those are real honest to goodness matches.

Practice matches don't really have scores.
Refs practice giving red cards and fouls.
Refs aren't there to score climbs or assess real fouls.
Teams climb the wrong pyramid so they can see better how their mechanisms are working.
Most teams don't even show up to practice matches until the afternoon.

And most of all FIRST doesn't bother publishing practice match scores, only real scores.
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Re: High Score

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Those are real honest to goodness matches.

Practice matches don't really have scores.
Given the data that Mark McLeod usually posts, I wouldn't have expected him to include practice matches. His data is always spot on accurate, and never includes "fluffy data."

I'm curious, Mark, do you know what the score is right now that would put a team into the 90th percentile? IE the minimum score per match that would almost guarantee you walk away undefeated?
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Just saw someone shooting full field at FLR. They were hitting maybe 1/5 3s. Lots too high or too low, and some of the ones that were on target bounced out anyways. It'll be interesting to see if other full courts have better luck.
We had a few initial hiccups, but now we are up at about 60% a match with defense. You probably stopped watching but we had 57 disk points by ourselves in one match later that day.
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I'm curious, Mark, do you know what the score is right now that would put a team into the 90th percentile? IE the minimum score per match that would almost guarantee you walk away undefeated?
Wouldn't that just be 2 standard deviations above the mean, assuming a normal distribution of scores?
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Wouldn't that just be 2 standard deviations above the mean, assuming a normal distribution of scores?
2 Standard deviations would be ~98%, but assuming a FIRST game has normally distributed alliances is a dangerous game. (although this year is actually not bad!)

From the actual distribution:

1% 0
5% 3
10% 10
25% 21
50% 37
75% 59
90% 77
95% 88
99% 129

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Wouldn't that just be 2 standard deviations above the mean, assuming a normal distribution of scores?
True (68 95 99.7 rule wohoo AP Stat), but I get the sense the data is slightly, or more, right skewed, especially reviewing the data posted by TwentyFour.
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Re: High Score

Yeah... I always remember 3 deviations is 99.7, because I keep looking it up when I run into 6 standard deviations worth of good or bad luck at the casino.
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177 at FLR, but with 103 foul points.
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11, 245, and 2187 put up 156 in their last semi finals match
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They put up a 166 with 20 in fouls in Finals 1
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Re: High Score

Why don't we all just wait until the end of an event to post the highest score from each event? This thread already has 40+ posts and week 1 events haven't even been finished. I usually stop reading these threads because they get to be really long and full of irrelevant information.
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