What we learned from week 1

[pyroslev]

Just from watching the FRC Spyders push notifications, a #8 Seed Alliance can take down #1 in the Palmetto Regional.

And an odd side note, in the Virginia FTC states, both divisions were won by the #3 Alliance. And the irony is the #3 Seeded Alliance won at Palmetto.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by pyroslev

Just from watching the FRC Spyders push notifications, a #8 Seed Alliance can take down #1 in the Palmetto Regional.

And an odd side note, in the Virginia FTC states, both divisions were won by the #3 Alliance. And the irony is the #3 Seeded Alliance won at Palmetto.

#3 won FLR.

[F22Rapture]

Regarding autonomous, is it more effective to just place in the same spot consistently and go to the correct angle, or to use vision targeting, or some combination?

[Mike Norton]

What we learned. To play well you need to to have a great scouting crew. If you go into a match with a good plan you can beat some great robots.

1) shooters vs climbers. You need both. If your climber can stop the other team great shooter then come back and score 30 to 50 pts that will win 90% of the matches. You need great auto shooters. You can not give up the bonuse points to the other team and expect to win.

2) a great driver can insure great results. If you have a great robot and can't drive, then what good is it.

3)Why we did so well in the finals was because of great scouting. Our students knew what teams would work well with our robot. They picked teams that where not on the top seeding. But had watch team 175 and 172 get better and better as the seeding matches went along. 172 at the end was hitting all 3 disc in auto mode then kept shooting and holding their own against the best. 175 was the same way they starting to hit all of their disc in the auto mode. That 36 points to start the match off was great. I would watch out for team 175 at the CT. Regional by then they will have a fine turn robot that will be at the top of the seeding rounds.

4) do not waste or damage your robot when you know your score is high enough to win the match. I saw a lot of plans to play defense against robots that could not score much points. Know what you can score and know what the other team can put up and play to that. We saved our robot from any damage using this plan.

5) For all you 30 pts climbers make sure you have some tall kids to be able to take your robot off the top. This is a back breaker.

6) it was easy to put your robot in place to have the other team incur penaltys. This was a defense position.

[dtengineering]

Originally Posted by Andrew Zeller

Simple, feeder-station only fixed angle shooters with passive hangers like 862 can be very effective.

That is the single best camera angle that I've ever seen for an FRC video. It's better than the live camera operators at worlds... you can see EVERYTHING. It's just like being there, but with the added benefit of being able to rewind and rewatch parts that you missed.

Whoever mounted that camera... well done!

Oh, yeah... the robots did a pretty good job, too... but did I see human players throwing frisbees at the end of the match? I thought that got outlawed.

<goes off to re-read the rules and updates>

Jason

[jmiller48167]

[quote=dtengineering;1242790]That is the single best camera angle that I've ever seen for an FRC video. It's better than the live camera operators at worlds... you can see EVERYTHING. It's just like being there, but with the added benefit of being able to rewind and rewatch parts that you missed.

Whoever mounted that camera... well done

FRC 2337 uses a GoPro camera mounted next to the scorpion box on an umbrella pole. Clint Bolinger start doing this last year during the off season as a test bed. Nice work Clint as usual.

[robochick862]

Originally Posted by dtengineering

That is the single best camera angle that I've ever seen for an FRC video. It's better than the live camera operators at worlds... you can see EVERYTHING. It's just like being there, but with the added benefit of being able to rewind and rewatch parts that you missed.

Whoever mounted that camera... well done!

Oh, yeah... the robots did a pretty good job, too... but did I see human players throwing frisbees at the end of the match? I thought that got outlawed.

<goes off to re-read the rules and updates>

Jason

THey changed the rule that only COLORED discs may be thrown at the end. THere were human players making it into goals with their throws. None in the top of the pyramid I dont remember. Did anyone see any shots in the pyramid?

[Jaxom]

Originally Posted by robochick862

THey changed the rule that only COLORED discs may be thrown at the end. THere were human players making it into goals with their throws. None in the top of the pyramid I dont remember. Did anyone see any shots in the pyramid?

We had 2 or 3 in Hub City. Human players might have been scoring 1 of 20-25 into either the 2- or 3-point goals in the matches I saw.

[itsjustmrb]

I believe 2848 was the first team at Hub City to shoot a frisbee in the pyramid goal and 4063 did it a match or 2 later. Also, one of the team from Mexico had a human player make one in the pyramid.

[NotaJoke]

Originally Posted by Jaxom

We had 2 or 3 in Hub City. Human players might have been scoring 1 of 20-25 into either the 2- or 3-point goals in the matches I saw.

At the Traverse City district event, there was a human player who was extremely consistent, making around 4/6 of the disks each time. Any well trained and well practiced human player could do the same... Until the disks start going into the pyramid goals regularly! Also, I assume human players like him/her were another reason for the rule change.

[kmusa]

Originally Posted by NotaJoke

At the Traverse City district event, there was a human player who was extremely consistent, making around 4/6 of the disks each time. Any well trained and well practiced human player could do the same... Until the disks start going into the pyramid goals regularly! Also, I assume human players like him/her were another reason for the rule change.

Actually, I think that it was the human players that weren't making at least 66% of their shots that caused the rule change.

[gabrielau23]

Originally Posted by kmusa

Actually, I think that it was the human players that weren't making at least 66% of their shots that caused the rule change.

Same...I think that selfish players that hogged frisbees really would've become a problem

[pfreivald]

Originally Posted by robochick862

THey changed the rule that only COLORED discs may be thrown at the end. THere were human players making it into goals with their throws. None in the top of the pyramid I dont remember. Did anyone see any shots in the pyramid?

3003 did it from the floor with their robot on many occasions at FLR.

[IKE]

Make sure you get re-inspected after you make modifications...

[PVCpirate]

Something I just learned 5 minutes ago from the Central Valley webcast: Teams who make a major change to their robot(like adding a tall screen for blocking shots during eliminations) must be reinspected before their next match. The whole alliance of 973, 1323 and 4135 were just DQ'd from semifinal 2-1, which they had won. Let this be a lesson to all alliance captains suggesting an alliance member should make a similar change.

EDIT: Ike beat me to it