Level 3 Point Upgrade for Champs?

[AmoryG]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

I know MikeE already said this, but: Yes, it is true we were all given the same rules to base strategy and design decisions and changing the point values of climbing will change the game. But, those same rules given to all teams, give the GDC the ability to tweak the game. As always, those teams more prepared to adapt on the fly, will do better.

That's a little unfair for teams that don't have the time and resources to adapt on the fly. The game is hard enough as it is. Don't make it even harder for those teams with unnecessary rule changes.

Besides, even elite teams can't always just adapt on the fly. Some of them are very close to the weight limit, so there's no way they can add a level 3 climber without making big changes to their original design.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by AmoryG

That's a little unfair for teams that don't have the time and resources to adapt on the fly. The game is hard enough as it is. Don't make it even harder for those teams with unnecessary rule changes.

Besides, even elite teams can't always just adapt on the fly. Some of them are very close to the weight limit, so there's no way they can add a level 3 climber without making big changes to their original design.

Then those teams need to go find the resources to adapt on the fly. But that's more a general opinion of mine. I stand by my claim that changing the points is unnecessary, this game has turned out to be quite a good one to watch and play and the points are quite balanced as is.

[rick.oliver]

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman

Hey I know - let's make all non 30-point climbers blindfold their drivers for the last 30 seconds of the match!

My sentiments exactly.

If the value for hanging is eliminated or the value of climbing to level 3 and/or 2 is increased the result will be more intense defense on a robot which does not immediately start their climb. Not sure that is the outcome desired by the GDC either.

[GCentola]

Originally Posted by karomata

the GDC has also had many rule updates that have almost completely changed the game, like the rule update about the discs being thrown by feeders...

I don't believe this is a huge game changer, honestly. I think the game is great the way it is, and I really think the freakout over this change was unnecessarily large. I will admit that I was concerned if you care to dig up my post on that, but it seemed to work itself out just fine. That was a much smaller change than changing climbing points would be.

Second, a dedicated climber is still useful. You don't need to be an alliance captain to win. It can be outscored, but it really depends what you are up against. If you can connect some shots in autonomous and guarantee that you will add 30 to our score, I don't think that is a robot that would be overlooked. From a match-perspective, if an opposing alliance knows of the dedicated climber, they will try to stop it (FLR eliminations against 340 and 1559).

Lastly, trade-offs. It was mentioned earlier and I couldn't agree more. The point values drove strategy and design decisions. People had a massive argument over IRI removing the coopertition bridge and that isn't even a regular season competition. If climb points changed for the champioship, the uproar would, well....gethca' popcorn ready.

TL;DR? This game is pretty cool and there are lots of great designs. It;s fine the way it is, no need to change it.

[Doc Wu]

Originally Posted by karomata

Hello Everyone,

It has become very apparent to me over the last few weeks that a level 3 climb, with or without scoring the colored discs, can easily be outscored. Many teams that can climb to level 3 dedicated their entire build season just to being able to climb due to its difficulty. There are a handful of teams that can easily climb and shoot, like 1114, 148, etc. but many non-powerhouse teams that climb can only climb.

Why? 1114 doesn't need the points If they can do it all, why should a team that spent all their efforts on one thing, climbing, be rewarded for skipping the rest?

One robot hangs at 30 points and negates any advantage of an entire alliance hanging for 10 points each. Plus their partners are still free to do either, hang or shoot.

Yes, hanging at the top is hard, but so is shooting 10 three-pointers. I think the points are just right.

[efoote868]

At the championship, I wouldn't mind if a level 1 hang was downgraded with respect to a level 2 or level 3 hang. I feel like 10-25-40 points is a nice balance between the climbs and rewards the more difficult and more time consuming tasks.

I don't want the level 1 hang to change in points, simply because the current endgame dynamic is fascinating. What should a team do in the last 15 seconds? Should they play defense on the fast and accurate shooter to try and prevent them from scoring another 12 points, or should they go hang for a guaranteed 10? Should they try and get another 4 disks and score another 12 points, or should they get fewer disks but leave more time to hang for 10?

Also nothing is cooler than a robot hanging for 10, and then shooting their remaining disks as a buzzer beater.