Texas Rankings

[Greg Needel]

Similar to what Joe Ross did for California (in this thread) I have applied the FiM ranking system to teams in texas through week 2.



Here are the FiM points system.

POINT CATEGORY POINTS 					POINTS 		
Win-Loss Record in Qualifying Rounds 							
Win 							2
Tie 							1
Final Alliance Captains After Picking 							
#1 Alliance Captain 					16		
#2 Alliance Captain 					15		
#3 Alliance Captain down to #8 Alliance Captain 	14 down to 9 		
Draft Order by Acceptance 							
#1 Draft Pick (Accepted) 				16			
#2 Draft Pick (Accepted) 				15			
#3Draft Pick down to #16 Draft Pick 			14 down to 1 				
Elimination Round Performance 							
Winning Alliance Teams: 							
Alliance Captain and First Pick				30			
Second Pick						24	
Finalist Alliance Teams: 							
Alliance Captain and First Pick				20			
Second Pick						16	
Semi Finalist Alliance Teams: 							
Alliance Captain and First Pick				10			
Second Pick						8	
Awards 							
Industrial Design 					5		
Quality 						5	
Excellence in Engineering 				5			
Innovation in Control 					5		
Creativity 						5	
Entrepreneurship 					5		
Team Spirit 						2	
Gracious Professionalism 				2			
Imagery 						2	
Highest Rookie Seed 					2		
Industrial Safety 					2		
Judges Award 						2	
Rookie Inspiration 					2

I plan on updating this through the season using the teams's first two regional performances. At this point there are 2 teams which have had 2 events (and they are marked with an *). Also many teams have not played.

Rank		Team		Points
1		148		67
2		118		64
3		4063		63
4		2587		61
5		2789*		60
6		57		54
7		4587		45
8		1801*		43
9		1477		38
10		3310		38
11		2936		37
12		1296		35
13		3847		35
14		4694		35
15		231		34
16		2468		34
17		2848		32
18		624		31
19		4852		31
20		4328		30
21		647		28
22		1429		27
23		704		26
24		3741		26
25		2582		25
26		418		22
27		4552		21
28		4570		21
29		441		20
30		3103		18
31		3366		15
32		4378		15
33		2585		12
34		4589		12
35		4689		12
36		2881		10
37		3335		10
38		3481		10
39		4206		10
40		4300		10
41		4351		10
42		4734		10
43		4853		10
44		3696		9
45		457		8
46		2965		8
47		3730		8
48		4155		8
49		4295		8
50		4298		8
51		4346		8
52		4717		8
53		1865		7
54		3735		7
55		653		6
56		1642		6
57		1817		6
58		2613		6
59		2737		6
60		2882		6
61		2982		6
62		3833		6
63		4280		6
64		4301		6
65		4798		6
66		4799		6
67		3305		5
68		1255		4
69		3035		4
70		3728		4
71		4672		4
72		4639		2
		499		0
		922		0
		1745		0
		1774		0
		2158		0
		2583		0
		2721		0
		2747		0
		2805		0
		2833		0
		2897		0
		2948		0
		2950		0
		2966		0
		2969		0
		2985		0
		3005		0
		3028		0
		3029		0
		3037		0
		3043		0
		3080		0
		3240		0
		3282		0
		3320		0
		3345		0
		3350		0
		3353		0
		3355		0
		3370		0
		3413		0
		3417		0
		3497		0
		3545		0
		3552		0
		3561		0
		3582		0
		3614		0
		3676		0
		3679		0
		3743		0
		3802		0
		3834		0
		3997		0
		3999		0
		4000		0
		4045		0
		4076		0
		4138		0
		4192		0
		4219		0
		4259		0
		4271		0
		4282		0
		4317		0
		4332		0
		4335		0
		4354		0
		4359		0
		4364		0
		4412		0
		4502		0
		4597		0
		4610		0
		4641		0
		4670		0
		4679		0
		4696		0
		4747		0

[MattC9]

I know you said there would be changes to this, will chairmans and eingineering inspiration be added to the awards list?

[Greg Needel]

Originally Posted by MattC9

I know you said there would be changes to this, will chairmans and eingineering inspiration be added to the awards list?

Right now Chairmans, Engineering inspiration and rookie all-star are not point awards in the FIM ranking system. Those awards qualify you for the state championship to compete for those awards but don't impact the rank as they are listed. When texas moves to the district system I am sure there will be many discussions of how this is handled but for now I am going to leave those awards out of the rankings.

[2789_B_Garcia]

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

Right now Chairmans, Engineering inspiration and rookie all-star are not point awards in the FIM ranking system. Those awards qualify you for the state championship to compete for those awards but don't impact the rank as they are listed.

Under FiM, how many teams make it to the state championship through the ranking system? If a team qualifies for state with a regional chairman's award, does their robot still compete, giving them the chance to qualify for St Louis through competing?

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia

Under FiM, how many teams make it to the state championship through the ranking system? If a team qualifies for state with a regional chairman's award, does their robot still compete, giving them the chance to qualify for St Louis through competing?

All district Chairman's award winners do compete at the state championship with the robot. So they have more options of getting to St. Louis, via 1 of 3 Chairman's spots, winning the state championship or qualifiying based on points. The top 64 teams in the state based on points compete at the state championship. So this year 64/207 teams compete, so about 30% of Michigan teams.

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia

Under FiM, how many teams make it to the state championship through the ranking system? If a team qualifies for state with a regional chairman's award, does their robot still compete, giving them the chance to qualify for St Louis through competing?

FiM has 64 teams qualify for the state tournament (out of 207 this year). MAR had 53 at MAR CMP last year (out of 99), and this year it says "at least 50" out of 109. Looks like Texas currently has 140 teams, so assuming a 50-60 team event it would be more selective than MAR but less selective than Michigan.

RCA automatically qualifies your robot to attend the State/Region CMP. EI and RAS were able to attend (sans robot) and set up a booth to compete for those awards.

[Coach Norm]

Greg,

You beat me to it. I kept one of these last year for curiosity sake.

Do you have a spreadsheet for the calculations or doing it by hand?

Joe Ross and I were visiting about it.

I asked him how he would handle teams that compete in more than two tournaments? He is keeping one with an average as well for each team.

Very interesting information to look at.

I also wonder if the District model will only include Texas.

See you in San Antonio at Alamo.

[2789_B_Garcia]

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

I plan on updating this through the season using the teams's first two regional performances.

Aww...What if we 3-peat to finals at Alamo?

Seriously, though, thanks for putting this together, our team loves data!

[Greg Needel]

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia

Aww...What if we 3-peat to finals at Alamo?

The current method used for FiM is only 2 events count( although I am not clear how it is decided which 2 events). This is because under district systems each team is guaranteed 2 events, and while you can play more it would be unfair to buy your way into the state championship just by attending loads of events.

The real question is when Texas goes to districts how big will the state championship be.

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia

Seriously, though, thanks for putting this together, our team loves data!

You are welcome. I like data also. See you at Alamo.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

The current method used for FiM is only 2 events count( although I am not clear how it is decided which 2 events).

The first 2 districts they attend. 3rd districts are just for practice. Any out-of-state regionals also do not count toward FiM rankings - although they could qualify a team for the Championship.

[lynca]

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

Similar to what Joe Ross did for California (in this thread) I have applied the FiM ranking system to teams in texas through week 2.

Hah ! After seeing the California rankings, I started working on the same data,
Glad to see other people around Texas are thinking along similar lines.

Thanks for posting.

[Greg Needel]

Originally Posted by Coach Norm

Do you have a spreadsheet for the calculations or doing it by hand?

I asked him how he would handle teams that compete in more than two tournaments? He is keeping one with an average as well for each team.

Very interesting information to look at.

I also wonder if the District model will only include Texas.

See you in San Antonio at Alamo.

I have a spreadsheet for this, but it still requires a bunch of manual data entry work. I did this while I was sitting on an airplane so time wasn't the limiting factor, that being said I want to clean it up a bit before I would send it out.

I have no idea how the districts will be setup. I have heard rumblings with all sorts of possibilities including what states (or countries) get included and when the change will happen (next year or the following year or beyond).


I look forward to seeing you and your team at Alamo.

Originally Posted by lynca

Hah ! After seeing the California rankings, I started working on the same data,
Glad to see other people around Texas are thinking along similar lines.

Thanks for posting.

HA, had I known you were working on it I would have waited to do mine :-P. I think alot of people in the texas region are starting to think districts with all of the rumors floating around.

[JohnSchneider]

I imagine we'll probably get Oklahoma, and arkansas included. I doubt Mexico because of the logistical implications. Theyll probably get their own regional once texas and the south moves to district, since they wont be able to come into the district events.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Greg thanks for putting this data together.

Since we're talking about Texas Districts. First I know nothing official except I'm pretty sure we're not going to districts next season.

2nd everyone that's interested should look at what New England is putting together. http://www.nefirst.org/blog/. Their model solves a lot of the problems we would have in Texas with the FiM model. We still don't know if FIRST is going to approve their proposal. It eliminates the requirement for two events before the district championship which would be very difficult on some of our teams from the south and from the west.

Also attached is a graphic that someone (I don't know who) produced that has Texas as a region all by itself and it includes the eventual Super Regionals.

Before we go to a full District system I think we should work on getting a state championship after FRC Championships like Minnesota. http://www.mnfirstregional.org/offseason/mshsl I remember reading about this idea somewhere in the FIRSTinTexas strategic plan but I can't find it now.

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

Greg thanks for putting this data together.

Since we're talking about Texas Districts. First I know nothing official except I'm pretty sure we're not going to districts next season.

2nd everyone that's interested should look at what New England is putting together. http://www.nefirst.org/blog/. Their model solves a lot of the problems we would have in Texas with the FiM model. We still don't know if FIRST is going to approve their proposal. It eliminates the requirement for two events before the district championship which would be very difficult on some of our teams from the south and from the west.

Also attached is a graphic that someone (I don't know who) produced that has Texas as a region all by itself and it includes the eventual Super Regionals.

Before we go to a full District system I think we should work on getting a state championship after FRC Championships like Minnesota. http://www.mnfirstregional.org/offseason/mshsl I remember reading about this idea somewhere in the FIRSTinTexas strategic plan but I can't find it now.

I believe Minnesota's "State championship" is due to the fact that schools are required to have FRC teams in Minnesota now, and so it sort of acts as a UIL sport (without being one). We have the TRR which is pretty much the same thing though!