3rd Regional Question

[DjScribbles]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

Since the points are "gone", they reduce the total number of points available to qualify for the state championship, and therefore reduce the threshold for qualifying for the state championship, making it easier for everyone to qualify.

I realize that this solution is better than the alternative; this isn't strictly true, it makes it easier for everyone else to qualify for state championships (not strictly speaking, I'm sure some of the 2nd event teams will be picked/captains and be successful enough in elims to improve their standings). A team that gets snuffed out due to the high level of competition probably won't get enough points from their second event to qualify, but a similar calibre team on the edge of qualifying won't lose their spot due to the outcome.

It's just the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately. One teams lucky break is another teams downfall.

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by DjScribbles

I realize that this solution is better than the alternative; this isn't strictly true, it makes it easier for everyone else to qualify for state championships (not strictly speaking, I'm sure some of the 2nd event teams will be picked/captains and be successful enough in elims to improve their standings). A team that gets snuffed out due to the high level of competition probably won't get enough points from their second event to qualify, but a similar calibre team on the edge of qualifying won't lose their spot due to the outcome.

It's just the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately. One teams lucky break is another teams downfall.

2612 did something a few years ago that was shocking to most that their third event. They declined to play in eliminations, so that other teams (possible needing the points) would have the chance to gain them.

[faust1706]

In 2011 at the stl regional, there were under 30 teams. It was a very fun regional and everyone got to know each other very well, but there wasnt much diversity. Nearly every team was within a 2 hour radius. Something that is interesting at small regionals is that nearly every team is on an alliance for eliminations. This is good for rookie teams because they get an extra feel for FIRST, but also not the best because there will be a lack of competition.

Just look at the scores:
95-6
112-24
107-55
50-4

but I guess there are a decent amount of examples where an alliance has no competition...case in point: finals of galileo of 2011: 101 - 0.

[Aidan S.]

Originally Posted by faust1706

but I guess there are a decent amount of examples where an alliance has no competition...case in point: finals of galileo of 2011: 101 - 0.

I want to clarify that fact, since I was playing on the alliance that won that match (Final 1-1). We won the match because of a red card called on team 254 for an incursion into our protected scoring zone (it was a very complicated call though, as the incursion wasn't the sole reason for the card, just the start of the sequence of events that lead to the red card). The original score of the match had the blue alliance of 254-111-973 beating the red alliance 469-610-188 by about 10 points (the score was around 111-101). The blue alliance rallied back to win the next two matches, move on to Einstein, and claim the 2011 title in four very well played and impressive matches.

The vast majority of zero scores in eliminations are the result of a red card and not because of an alliance that can't score.

I apologise for going off topic from the original post, I just wanted to point out that that specific match was very close with two strong alliances, and the only reason we won by such a large margin was because of a disqualification, not because the other alliance was not competitive. The two championship blue banners won by that alliance prove how strong they were. This match was the only loss that this alliance took on their outstanding championship run, and it was not a true loss, rather the result of a red card from an unlucky position that 254 got into. The alliance of 254-111-973 was the closest thing to a perfect 10 match championship elimination win in recent memory, such an exceptional alliance and set of matches.