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Re: Petition to end the shouting of ROBOT

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That's why have someone walk in front of the robot quietly and respectfully telling everyone, "Excuse us, we have a robot coming through".
Brendan. You know that is usually what I do (Being at GSR for 12 years), but every once in a while a "ROBOT COMING THRU" is needed and more efficient.

Now I'll agree that many times yelling 'ROBOT' is not needed, but I won't sign a petition that prevents me from keeping someone else safe.
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Brendan. You know that is usually what I do (Being at GSR for 12 years), but every once in a while a "ROBOT COMING THRU" is needed and more efficient.

Now I'll agree that many times yelling 'ROBOT' is not needed, but I won't sign a petition that prevents me from keeping someone else safe.
Yeah, next time I am getting groceries I will tell people to get out of my way cause I might hurt them with my shopping cart.

Seriously, if safety is an issue when you move your robot, your moving it wrong. I have moved a lot heavier stuff at an IKEA without incident. That is a lot harder to do with IKEA crowds and little children everywhere.

May I ask, why do you feel moving your robot is unsafe? I feel very safe with my robot, its properly supported by the cart, there are bumpers on every edge of the robot, I fold up my robot to reduce protrusions, we are walking slowly and there is a person in front of the cart kindly saying "Excuse me, I have a robot coming through" seems easy and safe to me.
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...Seriously, if safety is an issue when you move your robot, your moving it wrong. I have moved a lot heavier stuff at an IKEA without incident. That is a lot harder to do with IKEA crowds and little children everywhere...
You didn't even mention the fact that Ikea has those goofy carts with casters on all four corners. That makes it a wonderful challenge to avoid unsuspecting passers by.

I don't think anyone would say that you can never call out "robot" if there is an emergency (think moving down an isle and a texting student approaching), just that nobody should be walking around screaming it at every possible chance. I hate the sound of yelling. We have been lucky enough to compete where pits are actually decently quiet, and I truly enjoy having a conversation as if I wasn't at a construction site. If someone doesn't heed our tap on the shoulder and polite direction, I'm going to raise my voice. But I won't do that to every person I see as I walk to the field.
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Re: Petition to end the shouting of ROBOT

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May I ask, why do you feel moving your robot is unsafe? I feel very safe with my robot, its properly supported by the cart, there are bumpers on every edge of the robot, I fold up my robot to reduce protrusions, we are walking slowly and there is a person in front of the cart kindly saying "Excuse me, I have a robot coming through" seems easy and safe to me.
I have seen a person take a step backwards on to a short robot on a low cart and fall on top of the robot (where there are no bumpers). The team pushing the robot did not yell anything (especially not "robot") and the person in question backed out of a pit (was not directly in front of the robot). Said person was taken to the first aid station with a few cuts. Needless to say, in this day and age of lawsuit silliness, I will on occasion yell "robot".

You may do as you please, but again I believe safety trumps annoyance (It seems that this is a minority belief here ).
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I have seen a person take a step backwards on to a short robot on a low cart and fall on top of the robot (where there are no bumpers). The team pushing the robot did not yell anything (especially not "robot") and the person in question backed out of a pit (was not directly in front of the robot). Said person was taken to the first aid station with a few cuts. Needless to say, in this day and age of lawsuit silliness, I will on occasion yell "robot".

You may do as you please, but again I believe safety trumps annoyance (It seems that this is a minority belief here ).
I think yelling robot is no excuse for unsafe practices of moving a robot or moving around your environment in general.

Do you see where I am coming from? There are many similar situations you described above, airports luggage, production lines, and etc. Many production lines had streamline safety to avoid sirens and etc.
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I think yelling robot is no excuse for unsafe practices of moving a robot or moving around your environment in general.

Do you see where I am coming from? There are many similar situations you described above, airports luggage, production lines, and etc. Many production lines had streamline safety to avoid sirens and etc.
I do see, and understand where you are coming from. And I agree that yelling is no excuse for unsafe practices (BTW: your statement is called a strawman argument, as I never said it was an excuse for acting unsafe, but you insinuated I meant that). That being said, informing those, who may not be paying attention, that there is a hazard in the area is prudent.

Again, I'm not for yelling "ROBOT" all the time, but I refuse to sign a petition that will keep me from alerting an otherwise oblivious person to a clear and present danger.
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I have seen a person take a step backwards on to a short robot on a low cart and fall on top of the robot (where there are no bumpers). The team pushing the robot did not yell anything (especially not "robot") and the person in question backed out of a pit (was not directly in front of the robot). Said person was taken to the first aid station with a few cuts. Needless to say, in this day and age of lawsuit silliness, I will on occasion yell "robot".

You may do as you please, but again I believe safety trumps annoyance (It seems that this is a minority belief here ).
Excuse me while I go walk backwards across an intersection and I will make sure to get mad at anyone who hits me because they didn't hook their horn to alert me that they were there.
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The team pushing the robot did not yell anything (especially not "robot") and the person in question backed out of a pit (was not directly in front of the robot).
1: A team pushing a robot should not be yelling anything. The risk to others is at the front of the robot, where the robot will be in a moment, not where the robot has already been. A vanguard or two should be walking ahead of the robot, calmly making sure people know that a robot is coming through.

2: Someone backing out of a pit without looking isn't likely to be magically protected from tripping backwards over something by a shout of ROBOT!, especially if he wasn't paying enough attention to his environment to hear a preceding warning, but I agree that it makes sense to call attention to the imminent collision.
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Re: Petition to end the shouting of ROBOT

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but first of all, at WPI this weekend, I was absolutely appalled to see teams rushing through the pits, yelling robot. Maybe my memory over exaggerated this but the speed that people were going, robot in tow, was just astounding.

Also, as for the Safety Award, 157 got runner-up for Safety at WPI and we do not yell robot on our team when escorting. Maybe that was the particular judges at WPI this past weekend, but food for thought.
(Also, I spoke to the judges and I know that not yelling robot was not the reason we received runner-up.)
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Re: Petition to end the shouting of ROBOT

That sounds good. If anyone is reading my comment. .... Flub...flub blub flub
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Re: Petition to end the shouting of ROBOT

On the other hand... as pits were emptying from IE, someone pushing a bagged robot rolled up to a group of people, with room to go around them, and yelled "ROBOT" two or three times before they all moved out of the way.


Myself and another ref who both saw this looked at each other and went "You know, if this had happened during the event, that might have been a G15. He had room to go around."
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Re: Petition to end the shouting of ROBOT

Shouting robot to get people's attention is fine. Asking them to move in crowded pits is fine. Simply shouting robot and assuming that gives you the right of way is not. I honestly can't count the number of times I've been run down or seen others run down by teams pushing robots who just didn't have the sense to slow down and wait for things to clear in front of them once they've alerted people to their presence. It's rude, dangerous, and disrespectful of everyone else around you.
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Re: Petition to end the shouting of ROBOT

I have to agree, especially when we have the general public coming in to view and see what these events are.
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Re: Petition to end the shouting of ROBOT

Utah had a couple of teams that wouldn't shut up. We had a great time overall, and yes, it's good to let people know there's a robot behind them by saying "excuse me", but after 11 years it is getting really old. A new one this year: students from one team twice nearly punched me in the nose with a small bag of "safety materials" while shouting "In the Spirit of Safety!"
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