Who is going to be on Einstein?

[Siri]

Originally Posted by Bdf809

You would be correct. From what I've seen, the only robots with a 7 disk auto that can do more than a 10 pt hang are you (1986) and 254. Neither of these robots have a dumper.

842? But I think they only do 3 colored discs.

Regardless, not very common. I'd venture you're more likely to get a decent 30 point climb as a second pick than a 7 disc auto + 50 point end game at draft location.

[Herbblood]

I'd think all of the three robots needs at least 3 disc in 3 pt goal in auto. Then you need two fast, versatile robots that shoot accurately into the 3pt goal then 1 robot that can play defense, but if needed is able to shoot. Then all three robots will have a quick less than 5 sec 10 pt hang.

To all those going full offense, 1 player of defense could change the game, at least at my regional a lot of games were due to good defense.

[rtomp]

Originally Posted by Herbblood

To all those going full offense, 1 player of defense could change the game, at least at my regional a lot of games were due to good defense.

Yup

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by rtomp

Yup

I think this might be my favorite 1st post ever.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Herbblood

To all those going full offense, 1 player of defense could change the game, at least at my regional a lot of games were due to good defense.

Well you have to look at it like this, imagine this Championship alliance: 2056, 1806, 1902.(I know, this would never happen at Champs but still to my point) If you stop 2056, you still have 1806 and 1902; stop 1902, you still have 2056 and 1806; stop 1806, you still have 2056 and 1902.

The point I was trying to make was that if you have a capable corner loader/ground pickup(it changes depending on what your AC/1st pick is), you turn the match into a 2v2 try and outscore us match.

Whereas, you have 2056, 1806, 2789(as of this last week of competition) you shut down(I know you cannt because they are 2056 but you know what I mean) 2056 or 1806, you turn the match into a 1v1 or 1v2 match which makes it much harder to win.

Having that one extra capable scorer eases the sting of having one of your major scorers abilities dampened by a defender.

[Anupam Goli]

What if you have an alliance of 987 + 1986 + D bot vs 3 offensive bots, none individually better than 987 or 1986?

The D bot needs to only shut down 1 of the 3 of the offensive scorers for the match to go to 987's alliance's favor. This may be a match strategy thing rather than alliance strategy (everyone wants a solid drivetrain and 3 disc autonomous shooter for their third robot) probably, due to the depth of the championship field.

[2789_B_Garcia]

Originally Posted by dodar

Whereas, you have 2056, 1806, 2789(as of this last week of competition) you shut down(I know you cannt because they are 2056 but you know what I mean) 2056 or 1806, you turn the match into a 1v1 or 1v2 match which makes it much harder to win.

Having that one extra capable scorer eases the sting of having one of your major scorers abilities dampened by a defender.

First off, humbled and mind blown that our team is even mentioned anywhere near this conversation!

Second off, part of the reason why we've been so successful is because we know when to stop playing defense to go protect our shooters by setting picks on the opponent's defenders. We are able to transition quickly from banging into the opposing offense to cutting off their defenders, and we're lucky that we have a driver that can pull it off! This way we try to frame the holistic offense for the match in more of a 2 (us) vs 1.5 (them) in the sense that we can't stop an amazing robot from putting up points, we just try to slow them down enough to give our shooters a chance while also trying to protect our partners from being harassed.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia

First off, humbled and mind blown that our team is even mentioned anywhere near this conversation!

Second off, part of the reason why we've been so successful is because we know when to stop playing defense to go protect our shooters by setting picks on the opponent's defenders. We are able to transition quickly from banging into the opposing offense to cutting off their defenders, and we're lucky that we have a driver that can pull it off! This way we try to frame the holistic offense for the match in more of a 2 (us) vs 1.5 (them) in the sense that we can't stop an amazing robot from putting up points, we just try to slow them down enough to give our shooters a chance while also trying to protect our partners from being harassed.

From what I've seen, you guys are the best defensive bot this year.

[I-DOG]

Who will be on Einstein?

Paper Airplanes. Paper Airplanes Everywhere.

[JB987]

Originally Posted by Bdf809

You would be correct. From what I've seen, the only robots with a 7 disk auto that can do more than a 10 pt hang are you (1986) and 254. Neither of these robots have a dumper.

254 has not yet demonstrated a 7 disk auto...a 5 disk, yes.

[NotaJoke]

Floor loading is an obvious must, and so is climbing; but I think flexibility will win it all this year. With defense playing such a vital role, the team who can keep everyone guessing will always come out on top.

[MathMaven]

Originally Posted by Isaac

\At the regionals I have attended, I have seen very few floor pickup machines. I don't know if this a function of strategy or difficulty of execution but it seems very rare. Although many of the powerhouse teams have the capability, they use it infrequently. It seems like after the discs in the center of the field are depleted, it is not worth the extra time and ambiguity to attempt to floor pickup. This is something I am very unsure about however, and it could have a much larger role in STL than I anticipated with teams such as 1986 and 2056 concentrating on it.

At Detroit, Team 469 scored lots of points with its fast and reliable floor pickup, and won the whole darn thing as Captain of the #1 alliance. I think a good floor pickup will have a place.

[Bill_B]

Originally Posted by MathMaven

At Detroit, Team 469 scored lots of points with its fast and reliable floor pickup, and won the whole darn thing as Captain of the #1 alliance. I think a good floor pickup will have a place.

And if coupled with a FCS that puts disks in the goals or on the floor in front of them because their shot(s) deflected, it will be so much the more valuable. It might even be possible for a non-FCS shooter to pass from the feed station to the floor pickup without attracting too much defensive response. Depending on just how reliable the pickup is, it might even be hard to stop two feeders for it, especially if one of them can get full court goals when undefended. Further if floor pickup can be done on the opponents' misses, the disks transferred to the other end, and you begin to see why 2056 is so special. It's hard (impossible?) to put too many disks in their auto zone.

[Abhishek R]

Interesting to see that the alliance that ultimately won this year was comprised of three cyclers, who found a way to reduce the traffic so they could put up huge tele-op scores.

[themccannman]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

Interesting to see that the alliance that ultimately won this year was comprised of three cyclers, who found a way to reduce the traffic so they could put up huge tele-op scores.

1477 had a very good ground pick up that they used a lot, if they didn't have that they would not have won. I'm incredibly surprised no 50 point climb and dump bots made it to finals.