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2013 NE FIRST District Rankings
Special thanks to Brian Smist from 229 for doing half the work. As always, this is done by hand, please bring up any corrections.
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This uses the most recent NE proposal from their site. Qual Win: 2 pts Qual Tie: 1 pt QF: 5 pts SF: 10 pts F: 20 pts W: 30 pts Awards: 5 (Except RCA, EI, RAS) Also, despite NE saying they will count the top two events, I did the first two events for everyone. Code:
1 20 108 2 125 89 3 2648 85 4 1519 75 5 3467 72 6 2791 69 7 126 67 8 2168 67 9 1100 66 10 3609 66 11 230 63 12 155 59 13 172 58 14 195 55 15 176 54 16 175 53 17 69 51 18 2067 51 19 228 50 20 1991 49 21 177 47 22 3958 46 23 558 46 24 3280 44 25 1153 44 26 3930 44 27 133 44 28 95 44 29 3044 43 30 4055 39 31 78 38 32 3525 38 33 58 36 34 2877 35 35 1071 35 36 4134 35 37 61 34 38 88 34 39 1073 33 40 839 32 41 157 32 42 1831 32 43 1517 32 44 885 31 45 571 29 46 1735 28 47 4473 28 48 4546 28 49 3205 26 50 236 26 51 509 25 52 181 25 53 3780 24 54 190 24 55 4564 24 56 1922 24 57 250 24 58 3182 24 59 138 23 60 4761 22 61 1058 22 62 121 21 63 1027 21 64 319 21 65 131 21 66 151 21 67 1512 21 68 1277 20 69 3566 20 70 173 20 71 3146 20 72 2370 20 73 3466 19 74 2423 18 75 1350 18 76 2349 18 77 4508 18 78 999 18 79 246 17 80 3236 17 81 1687 17 82 1784 17 83 4812 17 84 3499 17 85 3654 17 86 1493 17 87 1973 16 88 1699 16 89 2876 15 90 97 15 91 1761 15 92 1965 15 93 3585 15 94 4557 15 95 4097 14 96 4609 14 97 3464 14 98 237 14 99 2170 13 100 178 13 101 1768 12 102 2871 12 103 3479 12 104 238 12 105 3323 12 106 3104 12 107 716 12 108 663 12 109 3718 12 110 4176 11 111 2064 11 112 2836 11 113 23 10 114 2079 10 115 2084 10 116 3927 10 117 1289 10 118 4042 10 119 348 10 120 213 10 121 1665 10 122 3687 10 123 4311 9 124 4410 9 125 3597 9 126 4793 9 127 2342 9 128 1474 8 129 1757 8 130 2713 8 131 4041 8 132 1247 8 133 3634 8 134 501 8 135 2523 8 136 4048 7 137 1099 7 138 2262 6 139 4151 6 140 4474 6 141 2104 6 142 2621 6 143 467 6 144 3451 6 145 4555 6 146 166 6 147 1307 6 148 4034 6 149 4254 6 150 1740 6 151 3461 6 152 4628 6 153 1754 4 154 4796 4 155 529 4 156 811 4 157 1729 4 158 1124 4 159 2785 4 160 4572 4 161 1721 4 162 3555 3 163 3623 2 164 3719 0 Code:
1 125 89 2 2648 85 3 1519 75 4 3467 72 5 126 67 6 2168 67 7 1100 66 8 3609 66 9 230 63 10 155 59 11 172 58 12 195 55 13 176 54 14 175 53 15 69 51 16 2067 51 17 228 50 18 1991 49 19 177 47 20 3958 46 21 558 46 22 3280 44 23 1153 44 24 3930 44 25 133 44 26 95 44 27 4055 39 28 78 38 29 3525 38 30 58 36 31 2877 35 32 1071 35 33 61 34 34 88 34 35 1073 33 36 839 32 37 157 32 38 1831 32 39 1517 32 40 885 31 41 571 29 42 1735 28 43 4473 28 44 4546 28 45 3205 26 46 236 26 47 181 25 48 509 25 49 3780 24 50 190 24 51 4564 24 52 3182 24 53 1922 24 54 138 23 55 4761 22 56 1058 22 57 121 21 58 1027 21 59 319 21 60 131 21 61 151 21 62 1512 21 63 1277 20 64 3566 20 65 173 20 66 3146 20 67 2370 20 68 3466 19 69 2423 18 70 1350 18 71 2349 18 72 999 18 73 246 17 74 3236 17 75 1687 17 76 1784 17 77 4812 17 78 3654 17 79 3499 17 80 1973 16 81 1699 16 82 2876 15 83 97 15 84 1761 15 85 1965 15 86 4557 15 87 3585 15 88 4097 14 89 4609 14 90 3464 14 91 237 14 92 2170 13 93 178 13 94 1768 12 95 2871 12 96 3479 12 97 3104 12 98 716 12 99 238 12 100 3323 12 101 663 12 102 3718 12 103 4176 11 104 2064 11 105 2836 11 106 23 10 107 2079 10 108 2084 10 109 3927 10 110 1289 10 111 4042 10 112 348 10 113 213 10 114 4311 9 115 4410 9 116 3597 9 117 4793 9 118 2342 9 119 1474 8 120 1757 8 121 2713 8 122 4041 8 123 3634 8 124 1247 8 125 501 8 126 2523 8 127 4048 7 128 1099 7 129 2262 6 130 4151 6 131 4474 6 132 2104 6 133 2621 6 134 467 6 135 3451 6 136 4555 6 137 1740 6 138 3461 6 139 4628 6 140 166 6 141 1307 6 142 4034 6 143 1754 4 144 4796 4 145 529 4 146 1124 4 147 2785 4 148 4572 4 149 811 4 150 1729 4 151 1721 4 152 3555 3 153 3623 2 154 3719 0 Last edited by JackS : 09-04-2013 at 13:07. Reason: Fixing error in rankings. |
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Re: 2013 NE FIRST District Rankings
Jack (and Brian), nice work putting this together. I was wondering where we would stand in a district points structure.
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Just so I can tell if I'm understanding this. The points were calculated as if the regionals in N.E. were district events. They would then determine invitation to the proposed district championship, viz. the top 80, right? NE District championship to be played "this" weekend from which 30 or so teams being invited to CMP in St. Louis. Have I got it right?
Now can we discuss why this points summary may, or may not, be slightly misleading? First, there is the number of events attended by many of the teams. That is, not enough opportunity for the one-event teams to get points for their Q-wins in this summary. A supposed advantage to the district model is that teams will get more matches played as a result. Perhaps the points for single regional event teams could be amplified a bit to reflect this. E.g., the scores from 9 Q-matches at CT regional might get a multiplier of 14/9ths to predict performance in two district events with 7 Q-matches each. Second, the relative size of regionals to district events would change the dynamics of those competitions somewhat. Not sure about what the effect on points would be, but I'm sure it would be there. Then there's the even more nebulous effect of the possibility of 8 hours "out of bag" preceding 2-day district events. Is this a factor? At present, teams attending 2-day events get to schedule a sort of "virtual Thursday" by logging time with their robot out of its bag before the competition. Will we allow this in the NE District? |
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My only questions is does this factor in teams that only attended one even? If so was anything done to factor the fact that they attended one event?
While obviously this is a very rough sketch and many of the metrics in Districts won't apply, I think it's a great way to see how things would play out. |
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So NE sends 30 teams, and according to the model, 11 teams will be from the champions, chairmans, rookie all-star, etc.
So would that mean the top 22 in this list would be guaranteed to qualify for championships, regardless of wins/awards? |
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What would be the disappearing regionals?
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No, this is just raw data. If anyone wants to normalize for different factors PM me and I can send you the excel sheet.
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The rankings above from this year's Regionals primarily reflect whether a team attended 1 or 2+ Regionals, but under the district model every team would be guaranteed 2 events. The other impacts come from having smaller events, which increase the expected points awarded in several ways:
Assuming district events average 34 teams each (155 teams attending 2 of 9 events), and a relatively gentle schedule of 12 qualification matches, then the expected point total under the proposed model would be 39.9 for competition performance only. Award points would be additional. The average from the table above is only 23.2 including awards. Last edited by MikeE : 09-04-2013 at 12:02. Reason: Clarity |
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Its great that this conversation is happening. Please continue it, BUT also realize that this is NOT the final point structure. You are giving us good feedback on your thoughts and expectations of what the advancement criteria should look like. Encourage others to take part on this thread. Several of us are monitoring it daily.
The final rounds of meetings are taking place now among the movers and shakers of FIRST in New England to finalize a LOT of things that need finalizing before we go into negotiations with FIRST HQ. And a LOT of the things we are talking about are exctly the things you all brought up in theTown Hall meetings of last fall. So you are having an impact. Keep it up. |
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First, I'd have preferred to see the 5/2 awards system in place in FiM and MAR. Although the point difference is kind of splitting hairs, I think it matters when a bid to CMP is on the line. Secondly, I'd like to see the DCMP count more than a district. Frankly, a 60-80 team DCMP is way harder than a 30 team district and teams should be rewarded as such. I think the best points system for CMP qualification would be your best (or two best) district events and 2 x DCMP. And lastly, I really like the points system for eliminations, however I have two things I'd like to see:
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I was actually planning on doing this during this week. Thanks for saving me a few days of work!
It seems that only the teams attending two regionals have a legitimate chance of doing really well. There are teams ranked below my own who I know are better than us, but we've attended two regionals, giving us a major boost. |
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