Make your Champs predictions!

[Steven Sigley]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

There's been a lot of dismissive gestures toward FCS's, but I've seen firsthand the kind of carnage a good FCS can wreak. That "Rookie with a pool noodle" can be counter-blocked, like 67 was at MSC

And that, my friends, is how 701 and 2169 swept at Colorado.

[PayneTrain]

At the level we're talking about, which is divisional elminations, it's not about possible points scored, but how consistently high the scoring is of each robot, regardless of opposition. A cycler who is known to bob and weave and put up 15/16 discs a match could see more value than an FCS that can kick out 24 discs but miss a bunch because of any factor affecting accuracy.

Those are points the other alliance can steal at this level, where you could have three robots on an alliance who can each clear more than a third of the discs behind the wall each match.

I'm slightly dismissive towards FCS robots because I see them falling to second pick in a lot of cases. For 2nd picks, alliances will probably look for consistent scoring in any form over the way you get the points to the hole, and cyclers are usually more accurate than FCSes, because dialing it in at a close range is not something that happens.

[EricDrost]

There's more than one way to stop a FCS. If the robots on your alliance work together and have good DTs, there's no reason that you should be beaten by a *pure* FCS.

A FCS that can also cycle well is an entirely different animal.

[hiyou102]

Originally Posted by Gregor

Until they meet a rookie with a pool noodle.

If FCS is well designed, it can beat a 60" blocker on it's own. An 84" blocker however requires some help from alliance partners. Even if the FCS is being blocked, some good ones can cycle as well. If a robot has a hastily attached 84" blocker that doesn't move that can mean they are trapped in their zone all match while the FCS is cycling.

Originally Posted by TeamRock

Did you watch any of their matches? and no i'm not talking about their deceiving Tessier video. Yes they are capable of all what you say WHEN it works. If there ground pick ups soooo fast how come they don't really use it (because they clog easily). Most matches their Auto either doesn't work or it misses allot. They can easily be flustered by D-fence. They can only make about 4 cycles with no D-fence but they rarely make all of them. Their hanging is pitiful and i haven't seen many successful hangs. There were matches that they didn't even scour.

I'm not saying that they won't be up there in the ranks, I'm just saying that in order for them to be the first alliance's first pick they will have to be allot more reliable!

Did YOU watch any of their matches? We personally competed with them at Silicon Valley. I watched their robot from 10 feet away. They do everything Gregor listed, and more. Please become more informed about a team before blatantly dismissing them as deceiving and weak.

[EricDrost]

Originally Posted by TeamRock

Mabbie you saw something i didn't. Sorry. All that i have been able to see is their scours and videos off of http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/118. im not saying that they are "weak" im just sayin that i have seen better teams like 1114,254 (They climb 30 in like 8 seconds) 245, 27, and a couple more that im forgetting.

The discussion was specifically about Galileo. Who do you believe would be the best first pick partner for 1114 in Galileo? Because I (and a number of other people here) see it as 118 going into the event.

Edit: Yes yes, I agree. A team with more auto points has a great shot of seeding above 1114 (possibly even 118).

[z_beeblebrox]

Originally Posted by EricDrost

The discussion was specifically about Galileo. Who do you believe would be the best first pick for 1114 in Galileo? Because I (and a number of other people here) see it as 118 going into the event.

As discussed above, it seems unlikely that 1114 will be first seed, as they only get 18 in autonomous. However, 1114 will probably be an excellent first pick for the first seed.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by TeamRock

Mabbie you saw something i didn't. Sorry. All that i have been able to see is their scours and videos off of http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/118. im not saying that they are "weak" im just sayin that i have seen better teams like 1114,254 (They climb 30 in like 8 seconds) 245, 27, and a couple more that im forgetting.

You are not very objective. 118 was better than us at SVR by every measurable except climb points (which isn't apples to apples). They were extremely good.

They were the highest scoring robot at SVR in autonomous and teleop points-averaging about 80 disc points per match, IIRC.

[Anupam Goli]

Originally Posted by TeamRock

Did you watch any of their matches? and no i'm not talking about their deceiving Tessier video. Yes they are capable of all what you say WHEN it works. If there ground pick ups soooo fast how come they don't really use it (because they clog easily). Most matches their Auto either doesn't work or it misses allot. They can easily be flustered by D-fence. They can only make about 4 cycles with no D-fence but they rarely make all of them. Their hanging is pitiful and i haven't seen many successful hangs. There were matches that they didn't even scour.

I'm not saying that they won't be up there in the ranks, I'm just saying that in order for them to be the first alliance's first pick they will have to be allot more reliable!

118 is perhaps the most consistent robot out there, behind 1986. Ever since Lone Star, they've been able to guarantee themselves a regional victory and either the first seed or first pick. It takes a lot of skill to be able to do that at 3 different events, and Silicon Valley was one of the most stacked regionals this year. At championships, 118 will guarantee a 7 disc auto, 4-5 cycles in teleop, and a 10 point. 4 cycles is a lot, and if i recall, they do 4 cycles with plenty of defense. It seems like little defense because their drivetrain and driving skills are that good.
Also, 469 prefers to cycle despite an excellent ground pickup, and no one is going around saying 469 has a slow pickup. If you have 4 frisbees far away from eachother, it's easier to go to the feeder station and get 4 instead of driving around the entire field scouring for discs. If you noticed, 254 and 2056 always had a supply of discs close to their scoring location.

[JohnFogarty]

4451 is getting picked in Newton. I guarantee it.

[Joe195]

Originally Posted by John_1102

4451 is getting picked in Newton. I guarantee it.

Wow, I just saw a video of them, I think I wanna rethink my prediction

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Joe195

Wow, I just saw a video of them, I think I wanna rethink my prediction

They won five awards in Orlando.
The only team that does that type of thing is 1114.
They are one seriously polished outfit. Their pit was spotless and so neat.

[Abhishek R]

Their bumpers are so shiny too...

[Rynocorn]

Here are my predictions as seen in my April Absurdity Bracket:

Archimedes: 469, 987, 2468

Curie: 2056, 67, 4080

Galileo: 118, 1114, 2512

Newton: 1986, 195, 2789

Curie and Galileo win in the first round and Curie breaks the curse by winning with the combination of 2 full court shooters/possible cycles and the amazing ground pickup of 2056.

I really think that any of these four alliances could win it all (if they get formed) and I just can't want untill I see the outcome this year!!

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

They won five awards in Orlando.
The only team that does that type of thing is 1114.
They are one seriously polished outfit. Their pit was spotless and so neat.

Not anymore. With the elimination of the regional website award, and the fact that they can't apply for chairman's anymore limits them.