Official: New England Districts in 2014

[JackS]

Originally Posted by DevenStonow

There were 2341 teams registered. 400 at championships. With 151 teams in NEFIRST, that's about 6.45% which is about 25 teams(realistically with the data probably a lower number). NEFIRST is replacing 5 district events, so that means 5 Chairman's, also adding on 1 RAS, 1 EI(this could change as MAR did 2 EI's this year), and 3 winning alliance teams means there should be about 10-15 "ranking qualifiers"*

If you use the number of regionals converted metric, NE would get 30 spots. The district model is hard to sell if a region suddenly loses ~18% of their CMP spots.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by JackS

If you use the number of regionals converted metric, NE would get 30 spots. The district model is hard to sell if a region suddenly loses ~18% of their CMP spots.

Except that I remember hearing something about MI (and MAR?) going to a percentage of total teams model for slots at Champs. IIRC, the reason was something like the massive growth in MI. (Source: Jim Zondag's whitepaper, Q24)

That being the case, I would suspect that if an area starts with "# of regionals", and then gets some growth to the point where "% of total" gives more teams, then that would be the way to go; however, if you want all district areas roughly equal, then they all gotta be the same way.

[AlexD744]

Since it seems that Florida's events aren't lining up my school's break, it's nice to see that the Championship will be in Boston . Can't wait to volunteer!

[Kims Robot]

Originally Posted by DevenStonow

Also, it should be taken into account that at 9 Districts, that means 9 Chairmans winners possibly "taking away"(not saying that to be demeaning/condescending) point-slots.

This depends on the model that is used. As it is possible/likely that FIRST will be standardizing the system across the districts, and its hard to tell what the final result will be. Using several points model simulators (ie the ones in this thread), of the 5 NE winners, only one was even close to the cutoff of the 53/60 line in one model I've seen (and easily made it in several others). Yes if you add 4 more, there is a slight possibility that the robots will not be as high in points, but in general, I think the District points wont produce as wide a variation as the CA performance at Worlds correlation.

Originally Posted by DevenStonow

Another calculation I thought of: The number of teams a region sends to championship from the region championship is: the number of teams in that region as compared to the number of overall teams; this percentage is the percentage of teams at championship that are representative of that region(the calculations I ended up with when comparing MAR and FIM were both off by about 4 teams less, so I'm guessing the number of overall teams is incorrect).
...With 151 teams in NEFIRST, that's about 6.45% which is about 25 teams(realistically with the data probably a lower number). NEFIRST is replacing 5 district events, so that means 5 Chairman's, also adding on 1 RAS, 1 EI(this could change as MAR did 2 EI's this year), and 3 winning alliance teams means there should be about 10-15 "ranking qualifiers"*

Take a read through the old NE Proposal. Because of the 5 events, the district was told they were given 30 qualifying slots. (I think I heard that MI is getting more because of their growth, but FIRST's original stance was you get a # of slots based on the number of regionals you had when you went to districts).

NE also has a large number of pre-qualified teams (CCA, Sustaining) including teams 23, 151, 175, 190 & 236. If these teams opt out of the DCMP like 341 did last year at the MAR DCMP (or FIRST omits them from the # of qualifying teams), then NE could potentially send 35 teams.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by Kims Robot

NE also has a large number of pre-qualified teams (CCA, Sustaining) including teams 20, 23, 151, 175, 190 & 236. If these teams opt out of the DCMP like 341 did last year at the MAR DCMP (or FIRST omits them from the # of qualifying teams), then NE could potentially send 36 teams.

You mean 20 could go to the NE DCMP! WHOOOOOOA!
Living in New York stinks...

[Kims Robot]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

You mean 20 could go to the NE DCMP! WHOOOOOOA!
Living in New York stinks...

Lol, I just saw 20 and thought NE(I fixed my typo)... but if New York hurries up and goes to districts, and this whole standardizing districts works out, 20 could come play in a NE event again (maybe not DCMP, but at an NE event!)

Originally Posted by PVCpirate

This season, the Michigan and MAR numbers for Championship Qualification changed, Michigan from 18 to 27 and MAR from 12 to 14. These numbers are roughly based on the percentage of total teams in each of those region, as Steven mentioned in this thread. That is the reason we are assuming that the same thing will be done for New England.

If this were the case, there would be no incentive for NE to go to districts. Why do more work just to lose WCMP slots for your teams?? Like I said, read the NE blog. I'm fairly certain there would be a riot if we got fewer than 30 slots

[PVCpirate]

Originally Posted by Kims Robot

If this were the case, there would be no incentive for NE to go to districts. Why do more work just to lose WCMP slots for your teams?? Like I said, read the NE blog. I'm fairly certain there would be a riot if we got fewer than 30 slots

I have been keeping up with all thing NEFIRST, the FRC blog, and anything else vaguely district related, and I have formed an opinion based on what I know. If you know additional information that is not available to me, then of course you would have a different opinion. The blog post you are referring to is from January, and it is my understanding that the situation isn't exactly the same now as it was then. From the FRC blog post announcing the NE and Northwest districts, it seems like FIRST is trying to standardize all districts, and I think it should extend to Championship slots as well.

Furthermore, I think that the number of slots for each district system should be calculated in the same way, so if you are correct about NE getting 30, which you very well may be, I would disagree with that decision.

[Nathan Streeter]

Originally Posted by Kims Robot

If this were the case, there would be no incentive for NE to go to districts. Why do more work just to lose WCMP slots for your teams?? Like I said, read the NE blog. I'm fairly certain there would be a riot if we got fewer than 30 slots

I firmly disagree. I see a lot of incentive for New England to go to districts (i.e. lower cost per event, more events, a DCMP at which the best of NE compete, and more regional pride/camaraderie) that outweigh the cost of a few teams qualifying for CMP. Personally, I'd rather go to World Championships
~18% less often if it meant having the District system.

Regardless, I'd prefer to see the "slots for CMP assigned by region's percentage of total teams" applied in New England. That's the fairer way to represent who goes to CMP... that way you don't have Michigan sending a tiny percentage (like they did last year) because of misrepresentation, nor can someone else complain "Hey, that region gets to send 20% of their teams, while we only get to send 15%!"

As a sidenote, only 28 teams (3 ME, 5 NH, 2 RI, 8 MA, 10 CT) qualified in 2013 from New England, despite having 30 regional slots and those extra HoF and founding slots...

[PVCpirate]

Originally Posted by Kims Robot

Take a read through the old NE Proposal. Because of the 5 events, the district was told they were given 30 qualifying slots. (I think I heard that MI is getting more because of their growth, but FIRST's original stance was you get a # of slots based on the number of regionals you had when you went to districts).

This season, the Michigan and MAR numbers for Championship Qualification changed, Michigan from 18 to 27 and MAR from 12 to 14. These numbers are roughly based on the percentage of total teams in each of those region, as Steven mentioned in this thread. That is the reason we are assuming that the same thing will be done for New England.

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by DevenStonow

There were 2341 teams registered. 400 at championships. With 151 teams in NEFIRST,

Your numbers are just a little off. That map hasn't been kept up-to-date.

2524 Teams total for the 3013 season
154 New England teams competed.

see http://www.usfirst.org/whats-going-on