New Central Illinois Regional Looking Good!

[Sparky3D]

Originally Posted by 1975Flyers

So, was it rough or dirty? There is a difference.

Depends on your definition of dirty. In our last elimination match, both of our lift cylinders were bent and one of the pneumatic fittings on our shooter was sheared off. None of these parts extend outside our frame perimeter, but no fouls were called. However, I don't think the bots that hit us were trying to damage us, it was just the way things at CIR were being played.

The lack of fouls for damaging opposing robots, coupled with the fact that the finals matches basically turned into a bot flipping contest, has left me worried about how the rest of the season is going to play out. I saw a number of fairly well built robots take pretty significant damage, and having your robot destroyed on the field is pretty disheartening for any team.

[kylelanman]

Originally Posted by 1975Flyers

So, was it rough or dirty? There is a difference.

For the most part those elims were very rough...I wouldn't say that they were 100% clean either.

There was a technical given in the final match for intentional tipping when 4143 was tipped over. This technical had no affect on the outcome of the match so it wasn't announced.

In general contact inside the frame perimeter was not being called because the damage was not obvious at the time the contact occurred. Given the other threads on CD discussing the refs being overwhelmed it is also likely the refs were watching the human players ensuring they remained safe and didn't cross the plane of the field. They were also often interacting with there referee panel to keep track of assists and scored balls so there eyes weren't on the robot the entire time.

[jeremylee]

It was a tough loss. I would like to thank our alliance members 2481 and 4213 for not giving up and forcing a great 3rd match. Props to 2081, 2022, and 292 for the hard fought win. Congrats also to teams 525, 1986, and 4296 on the win and surviving the finals carnage.

I do want to thank everyone involved for putting on a great regional despite all the challenges and thank all the teams that participated. I was expecting some great competition coming into the regional, and wasn't disappointed. I hope to see CIR continue to grow in Central IL and look forward to competing against many of the same teams again the future. I hope all the teams that traveled enjoyed the regional as well and make it safely home.

Get ready Wisconsin!

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by jeremylee

It was a tough loss. I would like to thank our alliance members 2481 and 4213 for not giving up and forcing a great 3rd match. Props to 2081, 2022, and 292 for the hard fought win. Congrats also to teams 525, 1986, and 4296 on the win and surviving the finals carnage.

I do want to thank everyone involved for putting on a great regional despite all the challenges and thank all the teams that participated. I was expecting some great competition coming into the regional, and wasn't disappointed. I hope to see CIR continue to grow in Central IL and look forward to competing against many of the same teams again the future. I hope all the teams that traveled enjoyed the regional as well and make it safely home.

Get ready Wisconsin!

I am excited to compete with you guys at Wisconsin!

[wesbass23]

Originally Posted by jeremylee

Get ready Wisconsin!

I look forward to playing with you guys as well. I was really hoping you guys would go all the way, see you in Wisconsin.

[Tom Ore]

Originally Posted by kylelanman

There was a technical given in the final match for intentional tipping when 4143 was tipped over.

Apparently the refs discussed this after the match and decided not to call it because they didn't call it when 4296 was flipped twice and 1986 was flipped once. Definitely a very rough elimination round.

[JeremyLansing]

Originally Posted by Tom Ore

Apparently the refs discussed this after the match and decided not to call it because they didn't call it when 4296 was flipped twice and 1986 was flipped once. Definitely a very rough elimination round.

Originally Posted by Cataclysmatic

I believe that was ruled as a regular foul, resulting in the 20 points for red, and the technical from the ruled intentional tipping with 50 points to blue.

We could never get a good answer from the referees about the reason for either penalty called during Finals match 3, and I'm curious where you guys heard this, because they sound mutually exclusive. I find it hard to believe the refs would call intentional tipping on 4296 after no-calls on 3 previous tips. Regardless it was a very, very hard fought finals, easily the roughest matches I have seen in FRC. Congrats to both your teams as well as 1986 for the win.

[Tom Ore]

Originally Posted by JeremyLansing

I'm curious where you guys heard this, because they sound mutually exclusive. I find it hard to believe the refs would call intentional tipping on 4296 after no-calls on 3 previous tips.

I heard it third hand - but you're right it doesn't make sense. I re-watched the video and the ref does signal red foul and crosses his arms right after 4296 pushes 4143 over.

[kylelanman]

Originally Posted by JeremyLansing

We could never get a good answer from the referees about the reason for either penalty called during Finals match 3, and I'm curious where you guys heard this, because they sound mutually exclusive. I find it hard to believe the refs would call intentional tipping on 4296 after no-calls on 3 previous tips. Regardless it was a very, very hard fought finals, easily the roughest matches I have seen in FRC. Congrats to both your teams as well as 1986 for the win.

Fact:
I was the FTAA down on the field. I heard the ref tell the score keeper intentional tipping. Then I asked the score keeper which alliance the call was on.

Opinion:
I believe 4296 tipped over at least once and possibly multiple times prior to the finals. Getting a reputation as an easily tippable robot lessens the chances the ref will deem it intentional tipping oppose to a design flaw.

A similar situation occurred with a team and leaving parts on the field. After 2 matches of things breaking off there robot they were issued a technical each match following when a part fell off.

[Cataclysmatic]

From 4296 perspective in response to the prior post. We had flipped once during qualifications. We had also resulted with flipping one other team during qualifications.

[jspatz1]

Originally Posted by Tom Ore

Apparently the refs discussed this after the match and decided not to call it because they didn't call it when 4296 was flipped twice and 1986 was flipped once. Definitely a very rough elimination round.

This is accurate. After a conference following the final match, the head referee reversed the TF called on 4296. The explanation given to our drive captain was that the TF would not have been consistent with the lack of TF's in the other multiple defensive tips that occurred in the round.

[RyanShoff]

Originally Posted by kylelanman

There was a technical given in the final match for intentional tipping when 4143 was tipped over. This technical had no affect on the outcome of the match so it wasn't announced.

I couldn't see the screen from where I was watching.
The twitter feed does show 50 blue foul points, so I believe this is true.

We did tip over pretty much right after autonomous ended, so while the scoring outcome was not affected, the gameplay certainly was.

For anyone interested, we went dead in F-2 due to our driver's gamepad going bad halfway through the match. The operator's gamepad was fine, which was why our pickups were functioning. That was a failure I never expected to see.

We switched driver's gamepads during the timeout and everything was fine for F-3. We just couldn't drive very well on our side.

[Tom Ore]

Originally Posted by RyanShoff

The twitter feed does show 50 blue foul points, so I believe this is true.

That may have been a G26-1. It occurs at about 1:58 into the match. 2039 reached into the red low goal while trying to get a blue ball from the corner. I am surprised they ruled it a technical, rather than just a foul.

[Cataclysmatic]

Originally Posted by Tom Ore

That may have been a G26-1. It occurs at about 1:58 into the match. 2039 reached into the red low goal while trying to get a blue ball from the corner. I am surprised they ruled it a technical, rather than just a foul.

Edit: This comment was incorrect and proven incorrect later on in the forum by information that I had not known of.

[BoilerMentor]

The blue alliance should have been red carded in the final finals match.

Intentionally tipping a robot falls well within the bounds of an automatic red card especially considering it had happened in the previous match with obvious consequences. Behavior like this on the part of a team or alliance is despicable and goes against the entire concept of this program. I've seen rough play before, but intentionally tipping over a robot goes above and beyond. I know, as many have already pointed out, that the outcome would not have been changed. This behavior needs to be publicly discouraged and the shame of losing a finals match in that way would have likely made it clear that it isn't okay.

That said, I'd like to thank our alliance partners 3138 and 3284. They are both excellent teams and we look forward to opportunities to work with them in the future. Our matches in quarters were hard fought and we could have won if we hadn't lost power in the second match. For that I am sorry. Our battery box broke and allowed enough movement for the connection to be broken during a hard hit from the opposing alliance.

The inspectors that we worked with, specifically the gentleman from 1986 who performed the bulk of our inspection was fantastic and exactly the type of inspector that we need more of. It is obvious that Al runs a tight ship and things went smoothly on Thursday

A huge congratulations for the number one seed winning alliance. The level of adversity that this alliance faced was unlike any I've ever seen. No alliance should have to put up with play like that being allowed against them and they still won. An excellent showing.

The problems all of the teams at the event faced were because of a few individuals. The rest of the volunteer staff was amazing. The queueing staff was excellent and friendly. A huge thank you to the volunteer staff in general. Events like this one can't happen without a great deal of support.