Question about Python?

[mechanical_robot]

I am confuse looking at the programming the forums. Are we allowed to use Python on our robots for the competitions? Or no
Also how would we set Python up to be able to use it on the cRio.

[geomapguy]

Well I've heard of some teams using Python but it's not official

Check out these forums

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=94413

Here's Team 2423 robot code written in Python

http://www.virtualroadside.com/FRC/#KwarqsDashboard

[mechanical_robot]

Originally Posted by geomapguy

Well I've heard of some teams using Python but it's not official

Check out these forums

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=94413

Here's Team 2423 robot code written in Python

http://www.virtualroadside.com/FRC/#KwarqsDashboard

So we can use it fort competitions , but python is not official or supported yet.

[geomapguy]

Originally Posted by antimatter_john

So we can use it fort competitions , but python is not official or supported yet.

Don't quote me, but I'm 100% positive

[seg9585]

Originally Posted by antimatter_john

So we can use it fort competitions , but python is not official or supported yet.

Yes, you can use Python in competition, as I saw teams using it last year. You still have to use the FRC Utilities software on the controller laptop. Just don't expect to get help troubleshooting from other teams or the volunteers at the competition if you choose to go that route.
I'm still trying to figure out why teams feel Java or C++ is not sufficient that they need to go Python. Just to do things differently and prove a point?

Someone feel free to enlighten me...

By the way, interesting observation on SpaceX regarding patents. I didn't know that...but Tesla (and Paypal) do have plenty of patents so I'm not sure why Elon is being inconsistent in his psychology.

[yash101]

Well, Python is a Simple and "elegant-syntaxed" language. It is very easy to teach to newbies, many times easier than Java or C! Other than that, it is cross-platform because it is interpreted!

There are also lots of tutorials to teach it.
Learning it is also inexpensive. The Raspberry Pi is a good way to learn Python because that is the most encouraged language for the platform!

[geomapguy]

Originally Posted by yash101

Well, Python is a Simple and "elegant-syntaxed" language. It is very easy to teach to newbies, many times easier than Java or C!

Don't forget LabVIEW is super easy to teach and is regarded as the newbie language.(and also a very complex language)

Originally Posted by yash101

There are also lots of tutorials to teach it.

I'm pretty sure the other FRC languages are well documented by FRC, NI, WPI, and various teams.

[yash101]

yes. That is true. LabView can be easy if you wan tit to be easy and hard if you want it to be hard.

It is true that there are all sorts of FRC tutorials. However, the Python tutorials are more generalized and from a much wider audience!

[MaxMax161]

As stated above while it appears to be possible to use python it is not recomended. At the moment I think it would take more work to get python working well then to simply use one of the three supported languages (Java, C++, LabVIEW).

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by yash101

It is true that there are all sorts of FRC tutorials. However, the Python tutorials are more generalized and from a much wider audience!

I strongly disagree when you say Python tutorials are more generalized and from a much wider audience. The number of C++ and Java tutorials is staggering. Python may be an easy language to learn on your own, but with less FRC tutorials for Python, one of the supported languages would be much simpler to apply to FRC.

Java and C++ are used in, to my belief at least, the majority of applications. Being used in so many different applications, it would shocking to say the least to say there are more generalized and wider audienced tutorials for Python.


To the OP: Learning how to use Python in the offseason would be a great idea! However, with Kickoff rapidly approaching, you would most likely be better off using one of the supported languages. You can compare it to building a swerve drive with no prior experience in the build season.

[MaxMax161]

Originally Posted by JosephC

I strongly disagree when you say Python tutorials are more generalized and from a much wider audience. The number of C++ and Java tutorials is staggering. Python may be an easy language to learn on your own, but with less FRC tutorials for Python, one of the supported languages would be much simpler to apply to FRC.

Forgot to mention, the tutorials for nearly every single function of LabVIEW are amazing! Especially when it comes to FRC. EVERY single block has a tutorial and example it's involved in. Helped me a tremendous amount when first self teaching myself LabVIEW.

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by MaxMax161

Forgot to mention, the tutorials for nearly every single function of LabVIEW are amazing! Especially when it comes to FRC. EVERY single block has a tutorial and example it's involved in. Helped me a tremendous amount when first self teaching myself LabVIEW.

Dead correct, can't believe I forgot to mention that!

[mechanical_robot]

Originally Posted by seg9585

Yes, you can use Python in competition, as I saw teams using it last year. You still have to use the FRC Utilities software on the controller laptop. Just don't expect to get help troubleshooting from other teams or the volunteers at the competition if you choose to go that route.
I'm still trying to figure out why teams feel Java or C++ is not sufficient that they need to go Python. Just to do things differently and prove a point?

Someone feel free to enlighten me...

By the way, interesting observation on SpaceX regarding patents. I didn't know that...but Tesla (and Paypal) do have plenty of patents so I'm not sure why Elon is being inconsistent in his psychology.

About the SpaceX patents, the reason is because there is nothing from stopping the chinese from stealing our rocket secrets. I mean their is a difference from cars and rockets. Rockets can be weaponized and SpaceX when they finally get to MArs the chinese will just try to steal the technology. Sorry but China can't invent they can only steal which is proven with the military technology they try to steal and replicate from our government/defense contractors.
As you can tell I am not a big fan of China to the verge of pretty much hating their government.
If I ever end of making a robotics business or something along those lines I will never work with the chinese.

Plus the technology they try to steal from us and replicate usually doesnt work

Plus the chinese have tooken American companies and their inventions and pretty much gave them to some chinese companie to benefit their economy.

Also the way the treat their people over there

[seg9585]

Originally Posted by antimatter_john

About the SpaceX patents, the reason is because there is nothing from stopping the chinese from stealing our rocket secrets. I mean their is a difference from cars and rockets. Rockets can be weaponized and SpaceX when they finally get to MArs the chinese will just try to steal the technology. Sorry but China can't invent they can only steal which is proven with the military technology they try to steal and replicate from our government/defense contractors.
As you can tell I am not a big fan of China to the verge of pretty much hating their government.
If I ever end of making a robotics business or something along those lines I will never work with the chinese.

Plus the technology they try to steal from us and replicate usually doesnt work

Plus the chinese have tooken American companies and their inventions and pretty much gave them to some chinese companie to benefit their economy.

Also the way the treat their people over there

That's true, but patents can protect from theft by others in the country and can be coordinated in European countries as well. Not having a patent may let anyone, Chinese or other Americans, to use the technology. Keep in mind rockets are ITAR controlled and therefore even if a device is patented it can still be protected from the Chinese or another country attempting to access it.

[jlmcmchl]

Guys, the OP had a question about python, and it's use in FRC. Go ahead and group message about his sig, please.