Go to Post Also, after 3 years of FRC I finally hugged that Platypi! - That 281 Guy [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > CAD
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 2 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-12-2013, 23:15
Escalade624 Escalade624 is offline
Registered User
FRC #4627
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5
Escalade624 is an unknown quantity at this point
Pit Designs

Hey Guys

I am new to the whole first robotics stuff and i am responsible for my teams pit design. I have designed 27 designs for my teacher/coach and he has turned away every idea of mine. Would anyone be willing to share there cad file of there pit with me and a list of materials and where they got them from?

Thanks in advance!
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-12-2013, 23:36
cadandcookies's Avatar
cadandcookies cadandcookies is offline
Director of Programs, GOFIRST
AKA: Nick Aarestad
FTC #9205 (The Iron Maidens)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Minnesnowta
Posts: 1,497
cadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pit Designs

Why exactly were the designs turned down-- were they too expensive, too difficult to assemble, or what? If you haven't gotten a good description of the design requirements, you may want to talk to your mentor and try to hash out exactly what he is expecting from your design. This will also help anyone that wants to give you the designs for their pits, as it won't do anyone any good if they give their design to you and your mentor rejects it as well.

Good luck!
__________________

Never assume the motives of others are, to them, less noble than yours are to you. - John Perry Barlow
tumblr | twitter
'Snow Problem CAD Files: 2015 2016
MN FTC Field Manager, FTA, CSA, Emcee
FLL Maybe NXT Year (09-10) -> FRC 2220 (11-14) -> FTC 9205(14-?)/FRC 2667 (15-16)
VEXU UMN (2015-??)
Volunteer since 2011
2013 RCA Winner (North Star Regional) (2220)
2016 Connect Award Winner (North Super Regional and World Championship) (9205)
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-12-2013, 23:50
Escalade624 Escalade624 is offline
Registered User
FRC #4627
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5
Escalade624 is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Pit Designs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Escalade624 View Post
Hey Guys

I am new to the whole first robotics stuff and i am responsible for my teams pit design. I have designed 27 designs for my teacher/coach and he has turned away every idea of mine. Would anyone be willing to share there cad file of there pit with me and a list of materials and where they got them from?

Thanks in advance!
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadandcookies View Post
Why exactly were the designs turned down-- were they too expensive, too difficult to assemble, or what? If you haven't gotten a good description of the design requirements, you may want to talk to your mentor and try to hash out exactly what he is expecting from your design. This will also help anyone that wants to give you the designs for their pits, as it won't do anyone any good if they give their design to you and your mentor rejects it as well.

Good luck!
They keep getting turned down because there "to boring" or to heavy. Or supposedly not possible to create. Or will take to long to set up at competition. We don't really have any design requirements. We're desperate for someone's idea. We're all out of them!
Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-12-2013, 00:39
cadandcookies's Avatar
cadandcookies cadandcookies is offline
Director of Programs, GOFIRST
AKA: Nick Aarestad
FTC #9205 (The Iron Maidens)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Minnesnowta
Posts: 1,497
cadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pit Designs

What materials were you planning on using-- what qualifies as "too heavy" for you? Are we talking you need a pit that weighs less than 50lbs total, or 100, or 200? How are you quantifying the time it will take you to set up the pits? Do you have any CAD files of the rejected pit designs? Do you have any budget constraints for the project? Is the goal to get this assembled for use at a 2014 regional?

As a general rule, it's a significantly more useful experience to get feedback on something than to have it handed to you. I would recommend looking at this paper from 1334 for ideas.

Also, unfortunately, I can't exactly provide you with specs for my team's pit, as it isn't exactly homemade, persay...
__________________

Never assume the motives of others are, to them, less noble than yours are to you. - John Perry Barlow
tumblr | twitter
'Snow Problem CAD Files: 2015 2016
MN FTC Field Manager, FTA, CSA, Emcee
FLL Maybe NXT Year (09-10) -> FRC 2220 (11-14) -> FTC 9205(14-?)/FRC 2667 (15-16)
VEXU UMN (2015-??)
Volunteer since 2011
2013 RCA Winner (North Star Regional) (2220)
2016 Connect Award Winner (North Super Regional and World Championship) (9205)
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-12-2013, 00:54
Escalade624 Escalade624 is offline
Registered User
FRC #4627
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5
Escalade624 is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Pit Designs

Materials we have no clue. Too heavy would be over 200 pounds. We want the pit to be able to set up in under an hour. We have no budget, it can be as cheap or expensive. and yes we want it for 2014 regionals!
Also great job on your pit! It looks amazing!
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-12-2013, 10:43
Carolyn_Grace's Avatar
Carolyn_Grace Carolyn_Grace is offline
Build bridges not walls.
AKA: Carolyn Beyer
FRC #1024
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 542
Carolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond reputeCarolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond reputeCarolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond reputeCarolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond reputeCarolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond reputeCarolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond reputeCarolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond reputeCarolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond reputeCarolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond reputeCarolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond reputeCarolyn_Grace has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pit Designs

(Preface: I love lists.)

How about starting with two lists:

1. Things necessary to be in our team's pit area

2. Things we want in our pit area but that are not necessary

Include everything that should be there: from pencils to larger tools / crates / tables / materials to showcase for judges.

From that, you can see how you would organize the items in list in a way that would make sense for your team.

Then you can take that organization and create a plan of how it would physically appear.
__________________
"It is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into account not only the world as it is, but the world as it will be." -Isaac Asimov
Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-12-2013, 12:11
Qbot2640's Avatar
Qbot2640 Qbot2640 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Terry McHugh
FRC #2640 (Hotbotz)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Reidsville, NC
Posts: 473
Qbot2640 has a reputation beyond reputeQbot2640 has a reputation beyond reputeQbot2640 has a reputation beyond reputeQbot2640 has a reputation beyond reputeQbot2640 has a reputation beyond reputeQbot2640 has a reputation beyond reputeQbot2640 has a reputation beyond reputeQbot2640 has a reputation beyond reputeQbot2640 has a reputation beyond reputeQbot2640 has a reputation beyond reputeQbot2640 has a reputation beyond repute
Unhappy Re: Pit Designs

I totally agree with the above post...make a list of what your team needs in a pit and what your goals are. Two years ago we had a pretty cool pit, but when we qualified for Championship, we realized it was too large to take with us. Last year we re-designed, and the whole thing can be carried in by one person, set up in ten minutes, and is very attractive. It certainly helped us win the imagery award in Chesapeake last year.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotbotz2640/8684230711
__________________

2012 Palmetto Regional Winners (Thanks 2059, 2815, and 287).
2012 Newton 14th Seed
2013 Chesapeake Regional Imagery Award Winners
2014 North Carolina Regional Imagery Award Winners
2014 Greater DC Regional Team Spirit Award Winners
2015 North Carolina Regional Finalists (Thanks 3971 and 587)
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-12-2013, 12:11
Jon Stratis's Avatar
Jon Stratis Jon Stratis is offline
Electrical/Programming Mentor
FRC #2177 (The Robettes)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 3,719
Jon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pit Designs

I would be very hard pressed to outfit an entire pit for under 200 lbs. A tool chest alone could weight that much, when you include all the tools in it!

Start by looking at what you need - tools to work on the robot, spare parts, a place to charge your batteries. Next, figure out how to get all of that to your pit. Most teams have a tool chest to carry all their tools in. It's nice if you get one on wheels! You'll need some sort of mobile storage for spare parts, although it doesn't have to be big. Maybe look for something that would fit under the table provided at the regionals? Again, it's nice if it's on wheels! Finally, some place to charge your batteries. At minimum this is a collection of collapsible shelves you can set up in the corner with batteries and chargers on it.

Once you get all that, you can look at optional items, like supports for a banner. This doesn't have to be anything fancy - take two buckets and fill them with cement (so the whole thing won't fall over once it's set up), and have a connector for some PVC pipe sticking out of them. You can then easily go straight up from each and across to join them and create a place to hang your banner.

With all this in mind, you do need to look at weight and transport. How is everything getting to the venue? A lot of teams use trucks, fortunate teams have trailers. For trucks, you need to design with a weight budget in mind - each item should be able to be safely loaded in and out of the truck by two people. If you have a trailer (get one with a fold-down door that acts as a ramp!), it's a bit easier, as you can wheel items in an out. Then you're looking at the overall carrying capacity of the trailer as your weight limit. For both you have a size constraint as well - everything should fit into the truck or trailer for a single trip to the venue. You don't want to be going back for a second load!

I strongly suggest starting simple and leaving room to expand in future years. Start with a shelf for your battery chargers, and make it an off-season project to build a full battery charging station. Start with PVC and cement buckets to support your banner, and bring in something nicer later. Start simple and cheap, and upgrade items as you can. Start looking for funds for a trailer to support the team now, so you can actually get one in a few years when your pit supplies outgrow easy transport by truck.
__________________
2007 - Present: Mentor, 2177 The Robettes
LRI: North Star 2012-2016; Lake Superior 2013-2014; MN State Tournament 2013-2014, 2016; Galileo 2016; Iowa 2017
2015: North Star Regional Volunteer of the Year
2016: Lake Superior WFFA
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-12-2013, 12:26
akoscielski3's Avatar
akoscielski3 akoscielski3 is offline
Mentor (1114), Alumni (772)
AKA: Aaron Koscielski
FRC #1114 (Simbotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: LaSalle, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,066
akoscielski3 has a reputation beyond reputeakoscielski3 has a reputation beyond reputeakoscielski3 has a reputation beyond reputeakoscielski3 has a reputation beyond reputeakoscielski3 has a reputation beyond reputeakoscielski3 has a reputation beyond reputeakoscielski3 has a reputation beyond reputeakoscielski3 has a reputation beyond reputeakoscielski3 has a reputation beyond reputeakoscielski3 has a reputation beyond reputeakoscielski3 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pit Designs

You are running down to a very small amount of time to build these now, as they will interfere with building your robot now. What I did with team 772 was make a pit of of extrusion and sheet metal. They have drawers, a huge bottom that has sliding doors, locking caster wheels (LOVE THESE!) and are easy to set up, take down and load (into a trailer with a ramp, they are heavy).

Let me knwo what you are using for constraints. Like how are you getting them there (ex. Trailer with/without a ramp, and size of trailer). do you want it to be one solid piece (ex. each cabinet) or do you want it to collapse for an easy way to store it. what are your cost constraints (please don't say you don't have one, because I know you're not gonna want to spend $10 000 on them). How long do you want it to last? do you want it for just this year or many years? Also tell me what else you have that can affect the design (where is it being stored?).

I can help you design it if you'd like, I designed 772's pit when I was in great 9 and it is a masterpiece to me.
__________________
Hall of Fame Team 1114 Simbotics
2013-Present
Host of Simbot Solidworks Series
Team 772 Sabre Bytes
2010-2013

Dean's List Finalist 2013 Waterloo Regional
Reply With Quote
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-12-2013, 13:04
Carol's Avatar
Carol Carol is offline
Registered User
FRC #0365 (MOE)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Wilmington, DE
Posts: 818
Carol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond reputeCarol has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Pit Designs

http://moe365.org/moepit.php

includes some CAD designs
__________________
__________________


MOE 2007 Chairman's Video by MOE video team and Paul Lazarus http://moe365.org/CHMN_AWD_video_2008.php
MOE 10-Year Video Celebration on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcSMUBUqEs
Reply With Quote
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-12-2013, 13:16
Escalade624 Escalade624 is offline
Registered User
FRC #4627
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5
Escalade624 is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Pit Designs

Hey Guys thanks for all the replies!!!

My team travels all by airplane which is actually quite a challenge to make a pit that won't cost our team a TON to ship.
Reply With Quote
  #12   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 20-12-2013, 15:19
AllenGregoryIV's Avatar
AllenGregoryIV AllenGregoryIV is offline
Engineering Coach
AKA: Allen "JAG" Gregory
FRC #3847 (Spectrum)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,545
AllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to AllenGregoryIV
Re: Pit Designs

Here is our pit design guide, relatively light weight and inexpensive.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2706
__________________

Team 647 | Cyber Wolf Corps | Alumni | 2003-2006 | Shoemaker HS
Team 2587 | DiscoBots | Mentor | 2008-2011 | Rice University / Houston Food Bank
Team 3847 | Spectrum | Coach | 2012-20... | St Agnes Academy
LRI | Alamo Regional | 2014-20...
"Competition has been shown to be useful up to a certain point and no further, but cooperation, which is the thing we must strive for today, begins where competition leaves off." - Franklin D. Roosevelt
Reply With Quote
  #13   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 04-01-2014, 17:25
SMArtbelle SMArtbelle is offline
Registered User
FRC #3759 (SMArt Bots)
Team Role: Webmaster
 
Join Date: May 2013
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Inglewood
Posts: 2
SMArtbelle is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Pit Designs

For the teams who have them, what is your average banner size and your flag size that you take to competition? Our team is looking to expand our presence and want to make these items. We, however, have no idea where to start.
If you have anything to email that can help , email us @ team3759smartbots@gmail.com

Thanks in advance.
Safety Captain of Team 3759
Reply With Quote
  #14   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 04-01-2014, 19:12
Bennett Bennett is offline
Registered User
FRC #2977 (Sir Lancer Bots)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 26
Bennett is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Pit Designs

Here's a picture of our old pit... http://i.imgur.com/VOyZXYg.jpg?1 It set up pretty quickly and wasn't too hard to transport.
__________________
2013 Lake Superior Regional SemiFinalists
2013 Team Spirit Award Winners
2013 MSHSL State Competition SemiFinalists / Third Place
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 22:19.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi