Who has last move in Auto setup?

[kylelanman]

Originally Posted by Cal578

Rule G4 says that you can place your robot in your goalie zone for autonomous, which is where the other alliance would try to score. So you can block a bit of the high goal, and/or some of a low goal.

Still, I agree with what other have said, that defense in autonomous is a fallback for robots that can't score.

A well designed and programmed defensive robot could sacrifice scoring 25 points of it's own and play goalie to stop the other alliance from scoring 60 points. That is a 35 point swing. I'm not saying it is likely to happen but it doesn't sound like something that should be dismissed so quickly IMO.

To the OP's question. Our team wondered the same and figured that the head ref should disable both robots.

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by kylelanman

A well designed and programmed defensive robot could sacrifice scoring 25 points of it's own and play goalie to stop the other alliance from scoring 60 points. That is a 35 point swing. I'm not saying it is likely to happen but it doesn't sound like something that should be dismissed so quickly IMO.

Successfully defending 3 robots in 5 seconds sounds more like random luck or bad planning. I can't imagine a scenario where all three robots would want to shoot so closely together when a defensive robot shows up in the GOALIE ZONE.

[PVCpirate]

From Team Update #1, added under G4: "TEAMS positioning ROBOTS in the white ZONE have precedence over opponents placing ROBOTS in the GOALIE ZONE."

So, offensive robots have the last move.

[Caleb Sykes]

I am really hoping to see at least one team use the Kinect in the AUTO mode to be a wicked awesome goalie. Since previous games have had little interaction between robots in AUTO, there was never any huge need to do this, but a solid goalie with a human moving it around with the Kinect has the potential to be spectacular for this game.

[PVCpirate]

Originally Posted by inkling16

I am really hoping to see at least one team use the Kinect in the AUTO mode to be a wicked awesome goalie. Since previous games have had little interaction between robots in AUTO, there was never any huge need to do this, but a solid goalie with a human moving it around with the Kinect has the potential to be spectacular for this game.

I don't think this is possible for this year, there aren't any Kinect stations. Maybe you could use a Kinect on the robot to do vision processing?

[cmrnpizzo14]

Originally Posted by PVCpirate

I don't think this is possible for this year, there aren't any Kinect stations. Maybe you could use a Kinect on the robot to do vision processing?

I believe that you can still incorporate a Kinect into your driver station but it is your responsibility to make sure that the area is clear so that you can control it. There will be no designated area like in 2012.

[silverD]

This should cleared up by today's Team Update:

Pre-MATCH
G4
When placed on the FIELD, each ROBOT must be:

in compliance with all ROBOT rules (i.e. have passed Inspection),
confined to its STARTING CONFIGURATION,
entirely within their GOALIE ZONE, or
entirely within the white ZONE and between the TRUSS and their GOALS, and
fully supported by the floor.

TEAMS positioning ROBOTS in the white ZONE have precedence over opponents placing ROBOTS in the GOALIE ZONE.


Violation: If fix is a quick remedy: the MATCH won’t start until all requirements are met. If it is not a quick remedy: the ROBOT will be DISABLED and must be re-Inspected.

Emphasis mine.

[scaevola]

I really dislike the word choice with regard to 'precedence.'

It means that the goalie robots have to set up first, letting the auto shooters see what they have to deal with.

However, the word precedence implies 'going first,' so it's possible to misread the rule by thinking that robots can be placed in the white zone first.

So, just for the sake of clarification, the rule means that goalie robots will have to set up first.

[GortGortGort]

Originally Posted by inkling16

I am really hoping to see at least one team use the Kinect in the AUTO mode to be a wicked awesome goalie. Since previous games have had little interaction between robots in AUTO, there was never any huge need to do this, but a solid goalie with a human moving it around with the Kinect has the potential to be spectacular for this game.

Wicked awesome goalie is just what our team has set out to build .We are a rookie team and realized that if we did only one thing well and benefited the teams with more experience and money we might be a sought after commodity.
We have a blocking pole that can deploy to 112 inches in seconds and we also have blocking flaps that extend over the top and front of the low goal 19.5 inches to prevent top and front shots. We are having some trouble with the kinect programming as we are mounting 3 kinects on our bot to detect incoming balls from multiple angles and react to block. Has any team ever used multiple kinects in this way before that you have seen ? Our team is comprised of all programming students and we are programming in Java .

[Caleb Sykes]

My original post was referring to the fact that you could theoretically use the Kinect to block balls in AUTO by setting up the Kinect in front of your drivers and letting one of them control the robot during this time.

This is a much easier challenge than vision tracking since the WPILib still has support for driver-side Kinect usage. If you have any questions about that, you can post them here or PM me, since I know a bit about that.

I have never seen a team use 3 Kinects to vision track moving objects. In fact, I have never seen any team ever successfully vision track any moving system. In my opinion, there are usually other less aggressive ways to improve your robot that you could be spending your time on. Unless your team has a large group of very experienced programmers who have a lot of time on their hands, I would strongly advise you not to go down this route, especially since you are a rookie team.

I would encourage you to attempt to utilize the Kinect in autonomous on the driver's side, but not for dynamic 3D vision-tracking. That sounds like it could instead be a really fun off-season project if people are interested. Why don't you focus on being really good at possessing the ball quickly and easily? A solid goalie that can quickly get an ASSIST will certainly be in the elimination rounds at any competition, especially if said goalie can block AUTO shots.