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Re: Any Wicked Awesome Goalies out there ?
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The best offense is a good defense! ![]() |
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If we are talking about top tier teams, which we originally were, the question isn't so much "is defense effective?" as it is "is defense more effective than offense, given their vast capabilities?" I believe that the answer is no. I question how effective an amazing defense bot can really be. Blocking is pretty much out of the question, because you can just send a robot to push any goalie out of the way. Anyways, the "safe zones" that you may have heard about elsewhere on CD are immune to goalies. And what else is there? You can have an awesome, powerful drivetrain, but most top tier teams have one already. And top tier teams already have great drivers. They could also put up a 5ft wall for blocking, but that is trivial for these powerhouses. I can't imagine any other way that you could be more effective at defense. So they have the choice to either call themselves a defensive bot and be finished halfway through week 2, or add on offensive mechanisms and be able to be both (like they have always done). Is that really even a decision?
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In this year's game, with a lot of high scoring teams likely, it is possible that a good defensive robot vs. the opponents high scorer might even the odds in elimination. Most likely that defensive (third choice) will be a generalist that can maneuver, pass, score with a kick-$@#$@#$@# driver as opposed to a special defense only bot. A remote possibility is an autonomous defense specialist. This will only come about if someone has such a devastating autonomous scorer that a defense is needed. It is unknown if a super autonomous scorer will be developed. |
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Being that each offensive team has only one ball, a good defender might be the winning teams mvr (most valuable robot). This year defense in a one on one matchup.
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My team put a LOT of consideration into the idea, but ultimately the mentors vetoed the dedicated goalie.
You can find an animation here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=408YXf6kGJ0 The idea is up for grabs if you can build it in a week... PM me if you want a detailed .blend file. Last edited by ohrly? : 11-02-2014 at 08:22. Reason: Offered a .blend file |
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G12 An ALLIANCE may not POSSESS their opponent’s BALLS. The following criteria define POSSESSION: 1. “carrying” (moving while supporting BALLS in or on the ROBOT), 2. “herding” (repeated pushing or bumping), 3. “launching” (impelling BALLS to a desired location or direction via a MECHANISM in motion relative to the ROBOT), 4. “trapping” (overt isolation or holding one or more BALLS against a FIELD element or ROBOT in an attempt to shield them). |
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I think this rule is ambiguous; it can be argued effectively that such a mechanism impels the ball in an arbitrary direction not at all determined or "desired" by the drivers. It could also be argued that there is a "desired" direction, namely "not towards the goal." Without a clarification, the legality of such a mechanism is unclear. |
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I would invoke the "grandmother clause" in this situation. A move like this is pretty clearly a "block" more than anything else (blocking being a deflection). I think people are way over-thinking the "possession vs defense" side of this game, especially when it comes to goalie. IMHO a robot like this is quite obviously legal, especially because the intent of the device is clear (to move the defense device in front of, not "impel" the ball) |
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This seems useful here.
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I love this robot. It's completely legal, and I really wish you had built it. It's really well thought out and would be an awesome addition to nay alliance, especially if you could truss it from the goalie position. |
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Re: Any Wicked Awesome Goalies out there ?
our team won in Montreal last year because we could hang, shooter in auto, and defend like mad. Defense is always important.
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Defence is effective as long as the effectiveness in the time spent defending is superior to the amount of points a robot can score during that same time. During the finals in Montreal 2013, 1075 was excellent at shutting down the two teams who happened to have the highest OPR and be on the same finalist alliance. 1075 created room for us and 3387 to cycle through and score. It was beautiful. |
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