2014 MAR Standings

[Jscout11]

Just noticed 2607 is registered for the Virginia regional. That brings the total number of MAR regional teams up to eleven

[rocpe]

1626 from Metuchen will be competing for the first time this season this weekend at Clifton. We are looking to have an after school "out-of-bag" experience with a fairly local team with a full practice field so we can try to dial in our shooter and practice assists with another robot.We saved about two hours.

[dellagd]

Originally Posted by scottandme

Double the 2012 amount, not the 2013 amount. Also, worth considering that we will now lose slots for outside regional qualifications. 11 and 2016 would have pulled slots last year, and 2590 and possibly 341 would have pulled slots in 2012. Based on the teams travelling in 2014, I wouldn't expect that trend to end. We'll know by week 5, with only 2234 competing week 6.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...ive_web#gid=22

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So theoretically it is possible that, say, 6 of those 11 teams could win their other regional they are attending and MAR would be left with only 4 teams getting World spots off of points?

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by dellagd

So theoretically it is possible that, say, 6 of those 11 teams could win their other regional they are attending and MAR would be left with only 4 teams getting World spots off of points?

Yes, any method of qualifying would remove a slot (Win, CA, EI, RAS).

[Hallry]

Scott, I have a question. Let's say fictitious MAR team 000 wins the (now) fictitious Brazil Regional, and qualifies for World Champs. However, they don't win on the field at MAR Champs, nor Chairman's, EI, RAS, nor are in the next top 10 ranked. Since they only qualified for World Champs outside of MAR, does MAR still lose a slot allotted for World Champs?

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by Hallry

Scott, I have a question. Let's say fictitious MAR team 000 wins the (now) fictitious Brazil Regional, and qualifies for World Champs. However, they don't win on the field at MAR Champs, nor Chairman's, EI, RAS, nor are in the next top 10 ranked. Since they only qualified for World Champs outside of MAR, does MAR still lose a slot allotted for World Champs?

Yup, that's how I read the rules. MAR would essentially just pretend that they finished in the points.

I think the only exception would be if a HoF team (103, 341, 365) qualified outside, since they're already exempted from counting against the MAR total.

Edit:

Here's the rule listed below. It doesn't say what slot gets removed, but I would assume a "points" slot.

District Teams do not earn points for their actions at any Regionals they may attend, but are still eligible for Team
awards at those events, and any benefits that may go along with winning those awards, such as earning their way to the
FIRST Championship. However, if a District Team does earn a slot at the FIRST Championship while attending a Regional
event, that slot does count against the total Championship allocation the District is receiving for the season.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by scottandme

Edit:

Here's the rule listed below. It doesn't say what slot gets removed, but I would assume a "points" slot.

District Teams do not earn points for their actions at any Regionals they may attend, but are still eligible for Team
awards at those events, and any benefits that may go along with winning those awards, such as earning their way to the
FIRST Championship. However, if a District Team does earn a slot at the FIRST Championship while attending a Regional
event, that slot does count against the total Championship allocation the District is receiving for the season.

I was just gonna get to this . Yeah, as far as I can tell, there is no mention of what slot is removed. It could be one of the two Chairman's or EI slots for all it says.

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by scottandme

Yup, that's how I read the rules. MAR would essentially just pretend that they finished in the points.

I think the only exception would be if a HoF team (103, 341, 365) qualified outside, since they're already exempted from counting against the MAR total.

Edit:

Here's the rule listed below. It doesn't say what slot gets removed, but I would assume a "points" slot.

Scott, I'm still not entirely sure what happens in the case of HOF teams, there was a lot of discussion about this during the later part of 2013 and early 2014, but I can't remember if we conclusively had an answer. If we apply the wildcard rules/logic to this instance, an HOF team would remove a slot from their district assuming their regional slot was their first qualification of 2014. That being said - the slot may also be passed down, since HOF teams are not 'supposed' to count towards a region's slot allotment.

Regarding which slots are removed, yes, in the case of an outside qualification one of the 'points' slots are removed since they're essentially 'open' slots for qualification.

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by thefro526

Scott, I'm still not entirely sure what happens in the case of HOF teams, there was a lot of discussion about this during the later part of 2013 and early 2014, but I can't remember if we conclusively had an answer. If we apply the wildcard rules/logic to this instance, an HOF team would remove a slot from their district assuming their regional slot was their first qualification of 2014.

HoF teams will not consume a slot even if they win (at) a regional, that's what I was told by Ed Petrillo.

[AGPapa]

I just updated everything for Lenape, once again, let me know if you spot anything incorrect.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AizgHBYEeVnwdDJVeFBzWTduazNLV3I2Skw5dlh4a FE&usp=drive_web#gid=1

The median number of points for team who have competed two events is 55.5. Expect the cutoff to be slightly lower than this. Declines and a large number of 3rd event teams at BR should decrease the cutoff.

I'm not sure if the new points model did a good job sorting out the teams. Good teams like 2729, 2495, 708 and 1712 are under this 55 point cutoff. Hopefully they'll still qualify for MAR champs because they have good robots that deserve to be there. I'm not sure if the old points model would have done a better job; once BR ends I'll recalculate the rankings with last year's point systems to see the difference in who qualifies.

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by AGPapa

I'm not sure if the new points model did a good job sorting out the teams. Good teams like 2729, 2495, 708 and 1712 are under this 55 point cutoff. Hopefully they'll still qualify for MAR champs because they have good robots that deserve to be there. I'm not sure if the old points model would have done a better job; once BR ends I'll recalculate the rankings with last year's point systems to see the difference in who qualifies.

I recalculated the rankings with the old points system. With the old system teams 2495, 2729 and 708 would qualify for MAR champs while 2577, 3142 and 5113 would not. Additionally, 1712 would be the first team on the "waitlist".

[ezygmont708]

Unfortunately for 708... We don't have a choice not to compete week 1 at Hatboro-Horsham as the event host. Fingers crossed for us and our friends who are on the edge of the bubble!

2495 | 2729 | 1712

[Brandon_L]

Just received the Invite email.

[nlknauss]

Originally Posted by ezygmont708

Unfortunately for 708... We don't have a choice not to compete week 1 at Hatboro-Horsham as the event host. Fingers crossed for us and our friends who are on the edge of the bubble!

2495 | 2729 | 1712

Thanks Eric, keeping our fingers crossed for you too.

I just received an invite from HQ, so we're in. Not sure who is officially out, but we're in.

Originally Posted by AGPapa

I recalculated the rankings with the old points system. With the old system teams 2495, 2729 and 708 would qualify for MAR champs while 2577, 3142 and 5113 would not. Additionally, 1712 would be the first team on the "waitlist".

The point ranking system is interesting this year to say the least. I wonder what last year's results would look like with this year's match outcomes? Neither ranking system accounts for strength of schedule but I'm just wondering if the nature of this year's game has a lot to do with it in how some of the role player type robots have found a niche and a part of this year's game.

Nate

[ezygmont708]

We just received an invite email from FIRST HQ... Looking into it now... Not sure where the declines came from...

Here's to hoping for 1712, I really do hope that one more slot opens up!