2014 Central Valley Regional

[BrennanB]

That. Was. Brilliant. What an awesome finals match!

[MichaelBick]

Originally Posted by Gregor

254 just chose 973 as the number one overall pick.

973 was ranked third last with a record of 2-9. Were they having issues, or just the worst schedule imaginable?

973 looked like they were having growing pains switching to a new drive coach combined with pretty poor partners throughout. Regardless, it looks like they are getting those issues figured out(look at their last match) and have really good synergy(973 being good at assists, and 254 being good at shooting with a great auto). It doesn't hurt that they won champs with each other and are great friends too.

[Bitbucket99]

973 pick looks very fishy to me. Smells of collusion, but would the judges ever do anything? Don't think so.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by Bitbucket99

973 pick looks very fishy to me. Smells of collusion, but would the judges ever do anything? Don't think so.

I haven't been able to keep up with the regional...but if you are accusing 973 of intentionally sandbagging, the Greybots are not a team that would do something like that.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Bitbucket99

973 pick looks very fishy to me. Smells of collusion, but would the judges ever do anything? Don't think so.

Collusion.

What do you think is illegal, dishonest,or deceitful about it?

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Bitbucket99

973 pick looks very fishy to me. Smells of collusion, but would the judges ever do anything? Don't think so.

1. 973 would absolutely not do this. 973 would not throw 9 matches to be the first selection of the draft, and 254 would definitely not take a gamble with someone going "trust me, we're really good, we just threw matches so you would pick us". Especially when you consider one of 973's highest scoring and closest losses was against 254. Not to mention there is almost no incentive for 973 to throw matches if they're the first pick of the draft. The number one seed picks first.

2. Do you really want judges to be able to "do anything" to a team based on an alleged fishy looking hunch? What action could possibly be appropriate for a judge to take here?

[steelerborn]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

1. 973 would absolutely not do this. 973 would not throw 9 matches to be the first selection of the draft, and 254 would definitely not take a gamble with someone going "trust me, we're really good, we just threw matches so you would pick us". Especially when you consider one of 973's highest scoring and closest losses was against 254. Not to mention there is almost no incentive for 973 to throw matches if they're the first pick of the draft. The number one seed picks first.

2. Do you really want judges to be able to "do anything" to a team based on an alleged fishy looking hunch? What action could possibly be appropriate for a judge to take here?

The regional was a lot of fun and was really competitive.

The match you are referring to was Qual 27. 973 was having communication problems and was only alive for part of the match, our other bot I believe was also dead for some of the match. It was essentially 3 on 1 for most of the match and we almost won it.

I know 1671 is looking forward to playing in St. Louis.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by Bitbucket99

973 pick looks very fishy to me. Smells of collusion, but would the judges ever do anything? Don't think so.

Don't take records as seriously this year as you have in previous years. Since winning matches this year requires your whole alliance to be good, teams are getting screwed out of matches that in previous years they may have been able to win by themselves. There's such a value to teamwork this year that having bad teammates can make your record a lot worse than you really are. Not saying this is definitely what happened to 973, but it's a pretty good assumption I think.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Bitbucket99

973 pick looks very fishy to me. Smells of collusion, but would the judges ever do anything? Don't think so.

973 had issues all weekend. They replaced literally every component on their robot in an attempt to be able to connect to the field reliably. There was easily 100+ years of FRC experience between 973 and 254 attempting to figure out the problem last night, which was finally traced to a bad PDB.

If they were sandbagging we would have been trying to pick them with the 23rd pick, not the 1st pick.

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by Cory

973 had issues all weekend. They replaced literally every component on their robot in an attempt to be able to connect to the field reliably. There was easily 100+ years of FRC experience between 973 and 254 attempting to figure out the problem last night, which was finally traced to a bad PDB.

If they were sandbagging we would have been trying to pick them with the 23rd pick, not the 1st pick.

Even more than just 254 was trying to figure out 973's issues. They had the best drive team going during the fall off-season tournaments, and I was glad to see that they finally worked out their bugs just in time.

[Peter Johnson]

Originally Posted by Cory

973 had issues all weekend. They replaced literally every component on their robot in an attempt to be able to connect to the field reliably. There was easily 100+ years of FRC experience between 973 and 254 attempting to figure out the problem last night, which was finally traced to a bad PDB.

I'm assuming the PDB issue was with one of the voltage regulator outputs? I recall 330 having a PDB issue in 2011 or 2012 (I think) where the 24V regulator would have semi-random very short duration dropouts that would cause their cRio to reset.

Fortunately this issue will go away in 2015; the new control system not only uses straight battery power for the roboRio (operates natively down to ~4.5V), but also the new PDB has no regulators whatsoever (an separate power converter module provides regulated 5V and 12V for radio/custom circuits), making for easier replacement of just the regulator component.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by Bitbucket99

973 pick looks very fishy to me. Smells of collusion, but would the judges ever do anything? Don't think so.

This is pretty funny. You clearly don't know 973's mentors at all.

You also don't seem to understand when sandbagging is even effective (not that any happened here).

Congrats to the winners, but also to 1323's alliance as finalists What a nice bot!

[DampRobot]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

This is pretty funny. You clearly don't know 973's mentors at all.

You also don't seem to understand when sandbagging is even effective (not that any happened here).

Congrats to the winners, but also to 1323's alliance as finalists What a nice bot!

I loved both 1671 and 1323, they were great machines that meshed really well. I'm dreading going up against 1671's shooter at Davis next week...

[Abhishek R]

Bad power distribution board, eh? That sounds very familiar...

Does anyone have video of the finals matches? I've heard they were amazing.

[MrTechCenter]

Originally Posted by DampRobot

I loved both 1671 and 1323, they were great machines that meshed really well. I'm dreading going up against 1671's shooter at Davis next week...

Can't wait to see you guys up here again!

And some advice to all teams, it's probably not the best idea to go to a Fri-Sun regional that's immediately followed by a Thurs-Sat regional...oops!