301 points! and could have done more

[falconmaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQtXL7n93JA

[Adam Freeman]

Not to take anything away from your 301pts or the win.... but, where is the defense?

The only time a blue robot approached a red robot was to get a run away ball. And, they moved out of the way when the red robot backed up from the inbounder.

This is a totally different game than what is being played everywhere else.

I love offense, but that looked like an exhibition...not the final match of a regional.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

Not to take anything away from your 301pts or the win.... but, where is the defense?

The only time a blue robot approached a red robot was to get a run away ball. And, they moved out of the way when the red robot backed up from the inbounder.

This is a totally different game than what is being played everywhere else.

I love offense, but that looked like an exhibition...not the final match of a regional.

My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately I think these good teams will struggle at Champs when they realize how tough defense is in other areas of the world. I also don't understand how teams can just sit there when they don't have the ball and do nothing.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

Not to take anything away from your 301pts or the win.... but, where is the defense?

The only time a blue robot approached a red robot was to get a run away ball. And, they moved out of the way when the red robot backed up from the inbounder.

This is a totally different game than what is being played everywhere else.

I love offense, but that looked like an exhibition...not the final match of a regional.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...48#post1363148

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[BobbyVanNess]

Originally Posted by Gregor

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...48#post1363148

Igniting controversy in 3... 2... 1...

[kuraikou]

From what I know there was a sponsor Steve Sanghi who agreed to pay for the entry fee of teams for next year's regional if they were in a match and both alliances scored over 200 points. So there was a pact made in the finals between the alliances to not play defense so that they could get the sponsorship, that is why there was little to no defense played.

[Duncan Macdonald]

Originally Posted by kuraikou

From what I know there was a sponsor Steve Sanghi who agreed to pay for the entry fee of teams for next year's regional if they were in a match and both alliances scored over 200 points. So there was a pact made in the finals between the alliances to not play defense so that they could get the sponsorship, that is why there was little to no defense played.

How is this not points shaving/match fixing? I was fine with 6v0 in 2010 because there was a FIRST created situation that rewarded it. I suspect Mr. Sanghi's heart was in the right place but this 6v$ cheapens the entire FIRST robotics program for everyone.

Why didn't the human players just collect a couple technicals?

[falconmaster]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

Not to take anything away from your 301pts or the win.... but, where is the defense?

The only time a blue robot approached a red robot was to get a run away ball. And, they moved out of the way when the red robot backed up from the inbounder.

This is a totally different game than what is being played everywhere else.

I love offense, but that looked like an exhibition...not the final match of a regional.

Previous match 1 match in finals with defense 225 to 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNwCVSuy1vw
after this both alliances agreed to try to get 200 point plus each to get a bet made by Steve Sanghi, to get 500 dollars off the next years registration. almost made it 301 to 180

[dodar]

Originally Posted by falconmaster

Previous match 1 match in finals with defense 225 to 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNwCVSuy1vw
after this both alliances agreed to try to get 200 point plus each to get a bet made by Steve Sanghi, to get 500 dollars off the next years registration. almost made it 301 to 180

I cannot honestly believe anyone would agree to this. That really lessens the win to me. How do you tell this year's seniors that "hey, we arent going to try to win for a chance at maybe getting some of next years' entry fee."

[MrForbes]

Originally Posted by dodar

I cannot honestly believe anyone would agree to this. That really lessens the win to me. How do you tell this year's seniors that "hey, we arent going to try to win for a chance at maybe getting some of next years' entry fee."

What was there to lose? for either side?

[dodar]

Originally Posted by MrForbes

What was there to lose? for either side?

The regional...

[MrForbes]

How?

[dodar]

Originally Posted by MrForbes

How?

Hmmm, let the other side score as much as they want without trying to stop them.....let's think about how that might lose someone a regional championship.

[MrForbes]

Originally Posted by dodar

Hmmm, let the other side score as much as they want without trying to stop them.....let's think about how that might lose someone a regional championship.

Only if it is one-sided. This case was two sided, we both agreed to not play defense for one match. We know each other, so we knew we could trust each other to keep the agreement...and of course if anyone violated the agreement, it was "over" and back to playing defense.

Coopertition™ can take many forms.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by MrForbes

Only if it is one-sided. This case was two sided, we both agreed to not play defense for one match. We know each other, so we knew we could trust each other to keep the agreement...and of course if anyone violated the agreement, it was "over" and back to playing defense.

Coopertition™ can take many forms.

That's your opinion, I just dont agree with it. Gratz on making it to the finals. Hope you guys can make it to STL; you always have really good bots.