Michigan State Championship

[Chris_Ely]

Originally Posted by JoeWithTheSpecs

If someone could post a link to the list of teams qualified for the MSC here that'd be greatly appreciated.

The Official State Rankings are in the FiM website. The final rankings after this weekends events will be posted sometime soon.

[Basel A]

FIRST in Michigan posted the list of qualified teams on their Facebook page.

[ATannahill]

Originally Posted by Basel A

FIRST in Michigan posted the list of qualified teams on their Facebook page.

Text version.

2337
107
67
314
4967
33
2054
27
1023
469
1718
3539
2137
3098
494
548
862
3602
4391
3620
74
5193
857
2851
51
503
70
5114
815
68
573
4819
4362
2959
2474
3667
4988
3175
3604
2619
4956
3534
1918
3688
2960
1711
2711
3618
453
5162
5053
4779
4003
3641
1189
3548
1250
910
245
3322
280
2834
1506
2604

I apologize for any errors in transcription.

[SilentStryk09]

So close

[JoeWithTheSpecs]

Originally Posted by SilentStryk09

So close

Argh you guys were an absolute blast to play with at Howell, quite the shame.

It's awesome to see 7 Rookie teams advancing on, compared to zero last year...

[SilentStryk09]

Here's the final "unofficial" rankings. The cutoff for points qualifiers was #60 based on 4 non-qualified teams winning District Chairman's. The Lowest point total to qualify was 76.

Rank Team City
1 2337 Grand Blanc
2 107 Holland
3 67 Milford
4 314 Flint
5 4967 Belmont
6 33 Auburn Hills
7 2054 Hopkins
8 27 Clarkston
9 1023 Temperance
10 469 Bloomfield Hills
11 1718 Armada
12 3539 Washington
13 2137 Oxford
14 3098 Waterford
15 494 Goodrich
16 548 Northville
17 862 Canton
18 3602 Escanaba
19 4391 Gladstone
17 3620 St. Joseph
21 74 Holland
22 5193 Saginaw
23 857 Houghton
24 2851 Sterling Heights
25 51 Pontiac
26 503 Novi
27 70 Goodrich
28 5114 Fenton
29 815 Allen Park
30 68 Ortonville
31 573 Bloomfield Hills
32 4819 Mt. Pleasant
33 4362 Brighton
34 2959 Coloma
35 2474 Niles
36 3667 Port Huron
37 4988 Cedarville
38 3175 Grosse Pointe Woods
39 3604 Brownstown
40 2619 Midland
41 4956 Whitehall
42 3534 Davison
43 1918 Fremont
44 3688 Suttons Bay
45 2960 Birmingham
46 1711 Traverse City
47 2771 Grandville
48 3618 Petoskey
49 453 Clinton Township
50 5162 Big Rapids
51 5053 Waterford
52 4779 Marine City
53 4003 Allendale
54 3641 South Lyon
55 1189 Grosse Pointe
56 3548 Royal Oak
57 1250 Dearborn
58 910 Madison Heights
59 245 Rochester Hills
60 3322 Ann Arbor
61 308 Walled Lake
62 1243 Swartz Creek
63 3535 Lapeer County
64 3234 Lowell
65 5231 Shepherd
66 2075 Grand Rapids
67 217 Sterling Heights
68 5084 Corunna
69 280 Taylor
70 4384 Troy
71 1322 Fenton
72 4377 Boyne City
73 240 Monroe
74 2586 Calumet
75 3572 Norton Shores

[Joe Ross]

Match 96 looks awesome.

[Adam Freeman]

We are ALREADY missing 100 assist points from our ranking based on video replay of our 3 matches.

It appears to be 50pts each from match 1 and 14. Match 30 appeared to be scored correctly.

I HOPE our prestigious ref crew gets their act together the rest of the weekend.

If anyone wants to recount assist, feel free to find me tomorrow to review film. For learning purposes of course.

Adam

Edit: This is not correct. I am an idiot!

[RufflesRidge]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

We are ALREADY missing 100 assist points from our ranking based on video replay of our 3 matches.

It appears to be 50pts each from match 1 and 14. Match 30 appeared to be scored correctly.

I HOPE our prestigious ref crew gets their act together the rest of the weekend.

If anyone wants to recount assist, feel free to find me tomorrow to review film. For learning purposes of course.

Adam

100 points in 3 matches sounded like a lot. So I got curious.

Unfortunately I cannot take you up on your offer of an in person review as I am not at MSC. However the FiM Youtube account has posted video of almost all of the matches and all 3 of 67's matches so I can review from my couch. Here's a cycle-by-cycle account of all possessions I see in the video and the expected assist counts.

Match 1 - Cycle 1 - 51 in Red, 67 in Blue and white - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 2 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 3 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 4 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 5 - 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 14 - Cycle 1 - 4819 Red, 3539 Red, 3539 White, 67 Blue - 3 Assists
Match 14 - Cycle 2 - 4819 Red, 3539 Red, 3539 White, 67 White, 67 Blue - 3 Assists
Match 30 - Cycle 1 - 3534 Blue, 3534 White, 67 Red - 2 Assists
Match 30 - Cycle 2 - 3534 Blue, 3534 White, 67 White, 67 Red - 2 Assists

Total Expected Assist points: 130
67 Assist Points in Ranking Table: 130

What'd I miss?

EDIT: I will note that the first and last cycles only showed goal lights for a single assist. The last cycle was completed as time expired so the assist may have been entered. I presume the first cycle was corrected based on my total matching the total in the rankings table.

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by RufflesRidge

100 points in 3 matches sounded like a lot. So I got curious.

Unfortunately I cannot take you up on your offer of an in person review as I am not at MSC. However the FiM Youtube account has posted video of almost all of the matches and all 3 of 67's matches so I can review from my couch. Here's a cycle-by-cycle account of all possessions I see in the video and the expected assist counts.

Match 1 - Cycle 1 - 51 in Red, 67 in Blue and white - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 2 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 3 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 4 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 5 - 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 14 - Cycle 1 - 4819 Red, 3539 Red, 3539 White, 67 Blue - 3 Assists
Match 14 - Cycle 2 - 4819 Red, 3539 Red, 3539 White, 67 White, 67 Blue - 3 Assists
Match 30 - Cycle 1 - 3534 Blue, 3534 White, 67 Red - 2 Assists
Match 30 - Cycle 2 - 3534 Blue, 3534 White, 67 White, 67 Red - 2 Assists

Total Expected Assist points: 130
67 Assist Points in Ranking Table: 130

What'd I miss?

EDIT: I will note that the first and last cycles only showed goal lights for a single assist. The last cycle was completed as time expired so the assist may have been entered. I presume the first cycle was corrected based on my total matching the total in the rankings table.

You are correct. I made an error in my calculations, I was double counting the first assist. I was a very long day.

Unfortunately we have only ourselves to blame for the situation we are in.

So I apologize to the refs, they are scoring correctly.

WE will try to get our act together tomorrow and get our heads back in the game.

Going to sleep before I screw something else up today.

[Vikingtech2054]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

We are ALREADY missing 100 assist points from our ranking based on video replay of our 3 matches.

It appears to be 50pts each from match 1 and 14. Match 30 appeared to be scored correctly.

I HOPE our prestigious ref crew gets their act together the rest of the weekend.

If anyone wants to recount assist, feel free to find me tomorrow to review film. For learning purposes of course.

Adam

Adam I feel the same way right now and it is very frustrating. I know that the refs are not perfect and they are human but some huge mistakes are being made.


We should have won match 18 but it was counted as a lose due to some bad judgments.
-469 was called for a penalty for "possessing an opponents ball" when the opposing human player clearly threw it into 469's robot
-During that same cycle we had clearly done three assist which was only counted as 2. This had mad a total of a 40 point swing so we lost.
-I had reviewed the match multiple times and had never seen a ref raise a flag. I understand there could have discussion afterward but there was not clear indication of a ref raising concern.

The cycle that starts at 1:37 is where all of this went down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sz6YgvPepU

[Don Wright]

Originally Posted by Vikingtech2054

Adam I feel the same way right now and it is very frustrating. I know that the refs are not perfect and they are human but some huge mistakes are being made.


We should have won match 18 but it was counted as a lose due to some bad judgments.
-469 was called for a penalty for "possessing an opponents ball" when the opposing human player clearly threw it into 469's robot
-During that same cycle we had clearly done three assist which was only counted as 2. This had mad a total of a 40 point swing so we lost.
-I had reviewed the match multiple times and had never seen a ref raise a flag. I understand there could have discussion afterward but there was not clear indication of a ref raising concern.

The cycle that starts at 1:37 is where all of this went down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sz6YgvPepU

I thought that too but rewatching it I think we get called for possesion midway through the match (at 1:50 of the video) when we bump the opposing alliance ball to the corner. The center ref raises the flag about 5 seconds later and walks to a touchscreen and enters the penalty.

[Vikingtech2054]

Originally Posted by Don Wright

I thought that too but rewatching it I think we get called for possesion midway through the match (at 1:50 of the video) when we bump the opposing alliance ball to the corner. The center ref raises the flag about 5 seconds later and walks to a touchscreen and enters the penalty.

I see it now that you pointed it out but I don't necessarily agree with the call. It was bumped one time and the opposing robot happened to eject the ball as 469 was driving forward. All in all it is not a big deal its just something that has to be dealt with and move on from it.

[Nyxyxylyth]

Originally Posted by Vikingtech2054

During that same cycle we had clearly done three assist which was only counted as 2.

Bummer... I didn't notice that assist was missed in the heat of the moment.

http://youtu.be/0sz6YgvPepU?t=1m32s

1:38 Inbound to 3175
1:52 Pickup by 5162 in blue zone
2:02 transfer to 469 (5162 and 469 both in white zone)
2:16 469 scores in red zone

Still would have lost due to the foul, but getting credit for those assist points would have softened that blow.

We can only hope that future games give the refs much, much less to do.

[phurley67]

We can only hope that future games give the refs much, much less to do.

You could not pay me enough to be ref for this game. It has to be a completely thankless and and incredibly difficult job. With the level of defense being played and the speed the game is being played, making fair and consistent calls would be beyond my capability.