When will Divisions be released?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by dodar

That must have been way before 2007 then. Its been some weird algorithm since Ive been a part of FIRST.

Not so far as you might think. Folks on Chief got pretty good at predicting WHAT the divisions would be (just not necessarily which was which); lasted up until around '07 or so, then someone realized that the algorithm was being seen through...and hit the random number generator. Nobody's been able to predict divisions since.

[engunneer]

Originally Posted by cadandcookies

Source?

"Had Heard" = Rumor. - I got to visit the VIP area once and they weren't watching many matches.

the IIRC is because I couldn't remember which field is next to Galileo.

In hindsight, I didn't add much to the discussion, my apologies.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by engunneer

At least when they were in Atlanta, I had heard that they pick the two strongest/best divisions for Galileo and Archimedes (IIRC) because those were the two fields facing the VIP area. The algorithm for determining "strongest/best" is unknown to me.

How could they both be in front of the VIP area if they are in opposite corners?

[DampRobot]

Originally Posted by cadandcookies

Whatever it is, somehow it's always put the winners in Galileo more often than not.

And kept the Curie Curse alive.

[qzrrbz]

Originally Posted by DampRobot

And kept the Curie Curse alive.

another explanation for 2010?

[Racer26]

The Curie curse is the ONLY explanation for 2010. (I know, I know, it was crappy luck that 2041 got stuck in the goal)

I was there. I watched it, and was absolutely gobsmacked by what I was seeing. Not to put 67/177/294 down, but 469/1114/2041 was all but unstoppable, going undefeated right up until they were eliminated in Einstein Finals. (1114 was undefeated all SEASON until Championship, losing Curie Q100 [intentional 6v0 loss against 111 to guarantee themselves #1 seed] and Einstein F1/F2) Brilliant strategy on the part of 67/177/294 to capitalize on the bad luck and park one of their robots blocking the other goal when 2041 got stuck. Karthik has always said that winning championship is mostly about being well positioned to take advantage of luck going your way.

If 1114 had played Q100 to win, they may have, but they ran the risk of a narrow loss, which would have allowed 111 to seed higher than them, and 469 was all but guaranteed to be the #1 pick.

[DampRobot]

Originally Posted by Racer26

The Curie curse is the ONLY explanation for 2010. (I know, I know, it was crappy luck that 2041 got stuck in the goal)

I was there. I watched it, and was absolutely gobsmacked by what I was seeing. Not to put 67/177/294 down, but 469/1114/2041 was all but unstoppable, going undefeated right up until they were eliminated in Einstein Finals. (1114 was undefeated all SEASON until Championship, losing Curie Q100 [intentional 6v0 loss against 111 to guarantee themselves #1 seed] and Einstein F1/F2) Brilliant strategy on the part of 67/177/294 to capitalize on the bad luck and park one of their robots blocking the other goal when 2041 got stuck. Karthik has always said that winning championship is mostly about being well positioned to take advantage of luck going your way.

If 1114 had played Q100 to win, they may have, but they ran the risk of a narrow loss, which would have allowed 111 to seed higher than them, and 469 was all but guaranteed to be the #1 pick.

Personally, I belief that getting 2041 stuck in the goal was a brilliant strategy on 294's part. But the Curie Curse works too.

[BrennanB]

Originally Posted by DampRobot

Personally, I belief that getting 2041 stuck in the goal was a brilliant strategy on 294's part. But the Curie Curse works too.

Pretty sure 2041 got stuck in auton. I could be wrong though...

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by Racer26

The Curie curse is the ONLY explanation for 2010. (I know, I know, it was crappy luck that 2041 got stuck in the goal)

I was there. I watched it, and was absolutely gobsmacked by what I was seeing. Not to put 67/177/294 down, but 469/1114/2041 was all but unstoppable, going undefeated right up until they were eliminated in Einstein Finals.

I seem to remember them only getting stuck in the goal in one match. I guess we didn't beat them straightup the other match...

The ONLY explanation is that we were better in those two matches!

[PriyankP]

Anyone know of a way to get the schedule of events in a CSV format (other than doing it manually)?

[lucas.alvarez96]

You could use the TBA API and save the necessary data as CSV...Python has support for requests, JSON and CSV, so you could check those modules out

[cadandcookies]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

I seem to remember them only getting stuck in the goal in one match. I guess we didn't beat them straightup the other match...

The ONLY explanation is that we were better in those two matches!

Because we all know that 67, 294, and 177 never build competitive robots, I mean they only have what, 60 blue banners between them?

[Basel A]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

I seem to remember them only getting stuck in the goal in one match. I guess we didn't beat them straightup the other match...

The ONLY explanation is that we were better in those two matches!

I hate to quote you to you, Adam, but your tone sounds a bit different a few years later:

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

With regards to the final matches....just because we won the first two matches, doesn't mean that 1114, 469, and 2041 would not have been able to beat us if we kept playing. We were very fortunate in the last match that 2041 was stuck in the goal for half the match.

1114 was a scoring machine. 469 has a robot design that will go down in history as one of the most awesome designs ever. Not to mention both are great teams with awesome strategists. Given more time (one more match?), they would have figured out how to win. Then we would have had to adjust to those changes.

[snip]

I'd like to say both alliances were evenly matched, but I'm not sure I can say that. I have been trying to figure out how we defeated them for 5 days now, and there isn't one thing that really jumps out at me. I think we suprised them in the first match and had some luck in the second one. After that it was over.

Two matches is not a lot. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that luck COULD have tipped the balance of the series (though the assertion that it MUST have been luck doesn't hold water).

[themccannman]

Originally Posted by Basel A

I hate to quote you to you, Adam, but your tone sounds a bit different a few years later:



Two matches is not a lot. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that luck COULD have tipped the balance of the series (though the assertion that it MUST have been luck doesn't hold water).

I think adam dropped this on his way out > /s

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by Basel A

I hate to quote you to you, Adam, but your tone sounds a bit different a few years later:

It has! Four years ago, I was just happy to get away with the victory.

Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

We know how much of an upset, but sometime we want credit for not rolling over an letting them walk right past us to the win.

We had a strategy, we executed it in the first match. We won. That wasn't nessecarily luck that we beat them in the first match.

In the second match, luck swung to our side, 2041 got stuck in the goal and 294 made sure they stayed there, we still had to play the rest of the match. 1114 was still scoring balls...and the match was close and not decided until the end.

A lot of matches are won and lost every year. Some are lucky others are not. But, after the initial analysis of the matches is completed, the winners are usually granted the crown and deemed the better alliance in those matches, by the majority of people. I'm not sure we have been deemed that, yet.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.