Go to Post I am all for high school sports, but as Dean continually preaches, we sometimes are not putting enough emphases in the right places. - Bill Beatty [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Other > Chit-Chat
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-07-2014, 17:28
JamesCH95's Avatar
JamesCH95 JamesCH95 is online now
Hardcore Dork
AKA: JCH
FRC #0095 (The Grasshoppers)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Enfield, NH
Posts: 1,858
JamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ford auto mechanic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ether View Post
AIUI, the 8th digit of the VIN is either a "9" or a "W".

On my Vic it's a W. Anybody know what the differences are?


9 indicates a 'natural gas' burning CV, W indicates SFI (burns gasoline, 99%+ of CVs)
__________________
Theory is a nice place, I'd like to go there one day, I hear everything works there.

Maturity is knowing you were an idiot, common sense is trying to not be an idiot, wisdom is knowing that you will still be an idiot.
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-07-2014, 16:35
Ether's Avatar
Ether Ether is offline
systems engineer (retired)
no team
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Rookie Year: 1969
Location: US
Posts: 8,100
Ether has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ford auto mechanic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz View Post
My guy is not a big fan of Stabil for cars BTW.
I've had excellent results using StaBil in small engines (chainsaw, go-kart, ATV, yard tractors, walk-behind brush mower, etc) but never used it before in a car.

What does he not like about StaBil in a car, and what does he recommend instead?


Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-07-2014, 15:48
JamesCH95's Avatar
JamesCH95 JamesCH95 is online now
Hardcore Dork
AKA: JCH
FRC #0095 (The Grasshoppers)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Enfield, NH
Posts: 1,858
JamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ford auto mechanic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ether View Post

Anybody know how fuel pressure is regulated in this engine ?


It has a fuel pressure regulator. AND it has a fuel pressure sensor.
Rockauto.com lists both parts: Fuel Injection Pressure Regulator and Fuel Pressure sensor.

If the crash inertia switch were triggered the pump would not turn on at all.
See: http://troubleshootmyvehicle.com/for...rt-condition-2

Seeing as you seem fairly convinced it's a fueling issue I would recommend getting a voltmeter on the fuel pump or the fuel pump harness while the engine is started and then running. This will be most instructive and could indicate a bad fuel pump relay, relay fuse, fuel pump fuss, bad wiring, etc. Note: eye-balling fuses won't indicate if they're failed due to hairline cracking, which does happen. I believe this wiring may be accessed fairly easily in the trunk. I personally dislike using fuel pressure gauges in general because of the risk of leaking fuel.

There are a few other things to check on a car of that age that should take a total of 20 minutes:
-Check all vacuum lines (dry rotting, cracks, leaks)
-Clean the MAF (mass air flow) sensor (a dirty MAF is a sad MAF)
-Clean IAC (these like to get plugged with build-up from the PCV system)
-Check the air filter

FWIW my first car was a 2000 Crown Vic (police interceptor) and these days I maintain four cars and work on a couple race cars. While I'm no Ford engineer I have turned a wrench or two
__________________
Theory is a nice place, I'd like to go there one day, I hear everything works there.

Maturity is knowing you were an idiot, common sense is trying to not be an idiot, wisdom is knowing that you will still be an idiot.

Last edited by JamesCH95 : 02-07-2014 at 15:51.
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-07-2014, 16:44
Ether's Avatar
Ether Ether is offline
systems engineer (retired)
no team
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Rookie Year: 1969
Location: US
Posts: 8,100
Ether has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ford auto mechanic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesCH95 View Post
Seeing as you seem fairly convinced it's a fueling issue I would recommend getting a voltmeter on the fuel pump or the fuel pump harness while the engine is started and then running. This will be most instructive and could indicate a bad fuel pump relay, relay fuse, fuel pump fuss, bad wiring, etc.
^This is an excellent idea.

Does anybody know where I can find a detailed electrical schematic?


Quote:
I personally dislike using fuel pressure gauges in general because of the risk of leaking fuel.
ditto that. gasoline is scary stuff.



Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-07-2014, 17:23
JamesCH95's Avatar
JamesCH95 JamesCH95 is online now
Hardcore Dork
AKA: JCH
FRC #0095 (The Grasshoppers)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Enfield, NH
Posts: 1,858
JamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond reputeJamesCH95 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ford auto mechanic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ether View Post
^This is an excellent idea.

Does anybody know where I can find a detailed electrical schematic?




ditto that. gasoline is scary stuff.



FSM (factory service manual) is your best bet. I like to get digital copies and have a laptop/tablet in the garage.

You could register with Autozone to get access to repair/service manuals, here.

There are, of course, numerous other sources.

IMO Haynes and similar are about useless except for listing torque specifications, so I do not think you should bother with one of those.

A google image search yields some interesting results, but nothing of great resolution...
__________________
Theory is a nice place, I'd like to go there one day, I hear everything works there.

Maturity is knowing you were an idiot, common sense is trying to not be an idiot, wisdom is knowing that you will still be an idiot.
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-07-2014, 23:52
Ether's Avatar
Ether Ether is offline
systems engineer (retired)
no team
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Rookie Year: 1969
Location: US
Posts: 8,100
Ether has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ford auto mechanic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesCH95 View Post
You could register with Autozone to get access to repair/service manuals, here.
I couldn't find any electrical schematics for the fuel pump circuitry there. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.


Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-07-2014, 23:57
Ether's Avatar
Ether Ether is offline
systems engineer (retired)
no team
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Rookie Year: 1969
Location: US
Posts: 8,100
Ether has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ford auto mechanic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesCH95 View Post
FSM (factory service manual) is your best bet. I like to get digital copies
Is this the official service manual published by Ford?


Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-07-2014, 08:11
Ether's Avatar
Ether Ether is offline
systems engineer (retired)
no team
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Rookie Year: 1969
Location: US
Posts: 8,100
Ether has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ford auto mechanic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simspi182 View Post
The fuel pump is full on while a regulator regulates to the pressure
See attachment. Is there a Ford mechanic or engineer out there in CD-land who can confirm the statement in the attachment?


Quote:
This leads me to believe that it's not the fuel pump.
My working hypothesis is that the fuel pump itself is good (because I can hear it turn on for a couple of seconds before I crank the engine... and the car always starts), but it is not being turned on once the car starts (and thus the engine gets starved for fuel, starts misfiring, and stalls).

I am looking for possible ways that a DIY-er like me can test that hypothesis.

My central problem is that I am unfamiliar with the design of this engine so it makes it difficult to draw conclusions from the data I already have. For example, consider question #1 in my original post. Can I rule out the inertia switch as a possible culprit because I can hear the fuel pump running before I crank the engine? In other words, is the circuit of the inertia switch such that if the switch were indeed tripped or faulty I would not hear the fuel pump come on under those conditions?


Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	regulator2.jpg
Views:	45
Size:	74.9 KB
ID:	17145  
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 17:18.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi