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Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship

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9/400=0.0225
9/540=.01667
Thant's more than a 25% reduction of slots for Indiana teams. I don't see how this is anything but bad for Indiana teams. The field at Champs finally increases and we see zero benefit from it. I'm not real happy.
You're lumping apples and oranges together. You switching to district allocation and the increase in champs size are unrelated.

Many regions aren't getting any increase in champs slots with the increase from 400 to 600 (as they aren't adding any regionals).

CA is sending 6 more teams this year, but the percentage is going down because of the increase.

I don't think anyone in CA will complain though.
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Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship

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Your slots are now exclusive to Indiana teams, whereas previously they could go to teams from outside Indiana.
9 is the number of teams we had representing Indiana last year, with 3 regionals we had many more slots than that plus the regionals in Illinois and Ohio that were an easy drive for Indiana teams.
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Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship

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9/400=0.0225
9/540=.01667
Thant's more than a 25% reduction of slots for Indiana teams. I don't see how this is anything but bad for Indiana teams. The field at Champs finally increases and we see zero benefit from it. I'm not real happy.
We actually only earned a few slots in-state:

at Crossroads
135 Finalist
5188 Finalist/RAS

at Purdue
5010 RAS
3301 Finalist
(135 had already qualified by that time)

The remainder came from regionals outside the state of Indiana. Since none of the remaining slots were guaranteed we are actually gaining slots

Both Indiana contests were loaded with out of state teams last year. Crossroads was brutal!
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Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship

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9 is the number of teams we had representing Indiana last year, with 3 regionals we had many more slots than that plus the regionals in Illinois and Ohio that were an easy drive for Indiana teams.
There were only 8 teams from Indiana that qualified for champs last year (868 didn't qualify), that means at least one guaranteed extra slot with literally no chance of regressing.
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There were only 8 teams from Indiana that qualified for champs last year (868 didn't qualify), that means at least one guaranteed extra slot with literally no chance of regressing.
In that case I sure bet that teams 16 and 340 are sure wondering who the second alliance captain on Newton was.
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Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship

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In that case I sure bet that teams 16 and 340 are sure wondering who the second alliance captain on Newton was.
They went presumably from the waitlist, they didn't have a regional win, EI, or Chairmans. They may have had a wild card however.

EDIT: It does look like they got a wild card at Queen City but assuming 600 teams like you did in your calculation, Indiana is still guaranteed an extra spot.
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Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship

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They went presumably from the waitlist, they didn't have a regional win, EI, or Chairmans. They may have had a wild card however.

EDIT: It does look like they got a wild card at Queen City but assuming 600 teams like you did in your calculation, Indiana is still guaranteed an extra spot.
868 definitely received a wild card invitation to Champs from Queen City. The Captain of the winning alliance, 16, had already won the Arkansas Regional so they generated a wild card spot to the finalist alliance from Queen City. The pecking order for a wildcard slot is Finalist Captain, Finalist 1st pick, Finalist 2nd, Finalist backup team; Pick 868 was the captain so they earned the wildcard spot.
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CA is sending 6 more teams this year
Technically under certain circumstances, they could send more/less (Wildcards, teams winning multiple awards, etc).
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Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship

Please don't post items as truth on this forum if you do not know them to be so.
868 was DEFINITELY not waitlisted in to the CMP. They earned the right to compete as wildcards at QCR. They performed admirably at the World Championships, ranking second in their division and earning the Excellence in Engineering Award. They were also crowned champions at the Indiana State Championship.
Also, the notion of Indiana exclusivity doesn't hold water. Sure, teams from other areas may have "poached" qualifying spots in Indiana events, but there's nothing that kept Indiana from doing the same at outside events. See: QCR, SMR, CIR, MWR and others.
Don't get me wrong - I'm ecstatic that we're making the switch to districts. We get >50% more plays, close to home, which is the biggest boost to #MakeItLoud that we'll have ever seen to this point. It's also much better on the team pocketbook. But we don't stand to gain any more traction into CMP than years before, and to claim so is silly.
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Sure, teams from other areas may have "poached" qualifying spots in Indiana events, but there's nothing that kept Indiana from doing the same at outside events. See: QCR, SMR, CIR, MWR and others.
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It's also much better on the team pocketbook. But we don't stand to gain any more traction into CMP than years before, and to claim so is silly.
Except that you could still go to those outside events if you wanted to?
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Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship

As our Indiana friends from Cybercards have mentioned, "... doesn't hold water..."
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Except that you could still go to those outside events if you wanted to?
Even though a district team can go to an outside regional and win, the win also takes up one of our 9-10 allotted slots. Yes, they may "poach" the spot from a regional team in that area, but it doesn't save Indiana a slot either. So, we can only send 9-10 teams + Team 45.
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Except that you could still go to those outside events if you wanted to?
Unless they have changed the rule, any district team winning a slot to Championships at a Regional will remove a slot from that district's allocation.
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Re: FRC Blog - District Slot Allocations at 2015 FIRST Championship

I crunched some quick numbers and counted 56* listed regional events. Let's say at each regional, the six qualifiers (3 champs, RAS, RCA, EI) are all unique teams. 56*6=336 teams qualifying through Regionals.
The total of the District teams (using capacity 600) is 169.
There are 30 pre-qualified teams.
336+169+30= 535 total teams qualifying by merit.
That leaves 65 waitlist spaces. Nearly eleven percent of the CMP teams will be there because of waitlist?** That seems odd to me, and very high compared to last year (I seem to recall single-digit waitlist slots).
Did I forget something?

*I may have miscounted, but the fudge factor wouldn't be substantial.
**possibly even higher if events can't fill wildcard slots
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