Week 1 Number One Seed Score Average

[eddie12390]

Just for the sake of seeing how people think this game will go, what do you think the average score that will secure a number one seed will be for the first week of regionals? I'm curious, at this point I really have no clue how this game is going to play out or what a "good" team will be capable of.

[Boltman]

100: Reasoning is level of other robots I've seen in videos etc there are going to be some great Teams capable of 100 each solo in perfect conditions in each regional but in events there are going to be many that struggle too . Keeping a ceiling on overall averages. Noodles will have an effect too.

I think in Week 0...60-70 was top for leading alliance. Expect week 1 to increase that somewhat and hit 100 average.

[Wayne TenBrink]

I expect to see a meaningful difference between the "average score of the #1 seed" and the "average score needed to seed #1". I would not be surprised to see a 20+ point difference between the top bot at an event and the next best bot. Therefore, the average score needed to be #1 seed would be 1 point better than the #2 team, which I am guessing will be 80 points.

[TDav540]

Keep in mind that the "average score" includes what other alliance members will be able to contribute. If we take a top level robot capable of scoring 60 points independently of other robots and combine it with two other robots, not only will the other robots contribute to the overall score (let's be probably a little pessimistic and say 10 points each), but they will also likely improve the other team's score by another 10 points. So then we're looking at about 90 points. I'll overshoot a little and say 100.

[dellagd]

If we remember that this will be a teams average match score, including their partners and the possible coopertition, while it will probably vary a good bit from event to event, I think 100 is a safe number.

[GeeTwo]

Robots with active pickups or semi-autonomous sensor-driven pickups should be able to get about 100 points by themselves, if their alliance partners don't knock over their stacks. I expect the top seed at most regional events to be well over 100 as a result. More importantly, I'm going to continue to drive our programmers to get our solo point total up around 100. If it works with my team, and I'm wrong about everyone else, this should mean a trip to the championship.

[MrJohnston]

Well over 100.

There are quite a few robots that seem to be able to do a three-tote-stack in autonomous. I anticipate 2-5 at each event, depending on the event size and location. That's 20 points. All of these robots should be able to complete a 40 pt coopertition stack if the other side can place one tote on the step. That's 60 points. Now, if each of these robots can do one three-tote stack with an RC and nothing else in tele-op, it has scored 18 more for a total of 78. I believe that most of these bots will be able to do better than that - say two stacks of four with an RC. That's 108 points alone.

Now, I would like to think that these very good robots do not have partners that average zero points for themselves. Perhaps they average adding 20 points per robot to an alliance? So, we have a range of 118-148...

[cmrnpizzo14]

I think about 80 sounds right for week one. Reasoning: 40 for coopertition + 20 for noodles + 20 for other points during the match. I'm assuming that noodle points or coopertition might fluctuate between matches but still net about 60 points. Then always apply my rule of thumb to round down when considering the average.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by cmrnpizzo14

I think about 80 sounds right for week one. Reasoning: 40 for coopertition + 20 for noodles + 20 for other points during the match. I'm assuming that noodle points or coopertition might fluctuate between matches but still net about 60 points. Then always apply my rule of thumb to round down when considering the average.

So you are assuming the #1 from regionals/districts will average only 20 tote/bin/robot points from Auto and Tele-op through their qualification matches?

[Mrcope9]

Still unsure, it really depends on the regional and who is in each alliance. With Dallas this weekend, I can see the traditional 148-118 alliance getting upwards of 140 points with Robowranglers stacking at the human load station and Robonauts clearing the landfill and snatching RCs. Will there be a performance like that at every regional?-probably not. We'll see, I know everyone is waiting to see this game played competitively for the first time.

[Bongle]

If we go by the "predict your robot's scoring capability" thread, 10% of robots can score 150pts/match. So it'll take 150pts just to get into the top 4 at a 40-robot regional!


Realistically though:
I voted 120. Seemed like a reasonable number:
15ish for autonomous on average
25-30 pts for coopertition on average
2 reasonable-score, or 1.5 max-point stacks during teleop
A couple dozen extra points from their alliance-partner contributions

There'll be some regionals with much higher scoring, but a robot that _averages_ what I put above should do very very well.

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

I'm not quite as optimistic so I guessed 100. Although there is no defense this year to lower scores, it's still week 1. Most robots at this time won't be nearly as good as their unveils portray yet. I could see scoring being much slower than most think for week 1.

[pandamonium]

I think that comparing Oregon to Dallas is unfair so I came up with individual estimates.

Dallas: 200
IE: 150
Howell: 95
South FL: 150
Lake Superior Regional: 100
Northern Lights Regional: 100
Palmetto: 100
Southfield: 125
Standish: 100
Granite State: 100
Oregon: 90
Auburn: 120
Southern Classic Regional: 120
Waterbury: 150
Indianapolis: 90
Hatboro-Horsham: 150

[cmrnpizzo14]

Originally Posted by dodar

So you are assuming the #1 from regionals/districts will average only 20 tote/bin/robot points from Auto and Tele-op through their qualification matches?

Week 1, yes.

Auto will often be zero points in week 1 I think. I don't anticipate a lot of teams being able to contribute and I don't think that the top seed at every regional will have an autonomous routine that will account for other teams doing nothing.

I think that there will be a lot of time wasted in teleop waiting for the other alliance to complete there part of coopertition, often I don't think that it will be done at all, so that isn't even a sure 40 points. Noodles I wouldn't guarantee either.

Overall, I think week 1 is going to look pretty pathetic for most competitions in quals with teams fumbling around and getting in eachothers' ways. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of teams end up knocking over the RC's and rendering them unusable for the alliance.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by cmrnpizzo14

Overall, I think week 1 is going to look pretty pathetic for most competitions in quals with teams fumbling around and getting in eachothers' ways. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of teams end up knocking over the RC's and rendering them unusable for the alliance.

If a team can't pick up a knocked over RC (which really should be considered a right side up RC for stability reasons) they need to reassess their design if they are hoping to do a lot with RCs.