Week 1 Observations

[KosmicKhaos]

Hi, decided I'm going to make a thread with observations from week one events and will be adding to this throughout the week, any observations you make, comment them and I'l add them to the list. Also criticism is greatly appreciated! These are my personal observations and opinions on what I am seeing

Average match score prediction 30-40 Rank one average scores 70-90 at least for week one, I will be updating predicted scores also

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• Throwing noodles are a very viable way of scoring points, possibly a game changer (at least in early matches)
• The audio for the previous 30 seconds left is now on 20 seconds
• The field is going to get very very very messy very quick at least in early matches probably even later because people will still try to throw noodles. Whether they land on your side our the opposite side its going to get messy.
• With noodle throwing being a very possible strategy, if you don't have a way to clear noodles it's going to be very hard for you to move around and you'll shred noodles to pieces
• Co-op points- rare to see 4 yellow totes on the step further more at least one. Possibly because often noodles block the path to the middle. This is where clearing noodles helps.
• Co-op points are very valuable I cant stress this enough. With such low scoring this is whag seperates teams in the standings. Top ranked teams will be those who get co-op points and do it consistently
• Many teams seem to prefer the landfill
• Landfill isn't going to be pretty pretty for you to acquire totes from, especially later in the match
• Capping stacks especially 6 stacks is rare. My prediction, if you can at least make one 6 stack with a can you can make a big difference in your alliance's score
• Recycling containers are going to be knocked over. I don't care how hard you try at not knocking them over most if not all of them will be knocked over. If you plan on using them, you should be able to pick them up tipped over.
• Some robots, especially external forklifts are a bit tipsy carrying stacks, be aware of falling/tipped robots.
• It's going to be crowded on your side of the field, try to give others some space especially those carrying stacks
• Not much scoring in autonomous, even simple robot sets. If you can make a tote stack all by your self and have your alliance partners stay in the autozone and do nothing could possibly be a game changer. Even just a container set is helpful
• There is no such thing as a Science to throwing noodles there are to many variables (bent noodles, stiff noodles, etc.) to have a way to throw noodles %100 to the other side noodles are NOT accurate
• For scouting, look for an alliance partner that can complement what your robot can do. what I mean by this is is look for teams who you can work together with, if you can stack really well don't choose an alliance buddy who can also stack really well, maximize what your alliance can do
• Despite what everyone says about the lack of involvement of refs in this years game, refs are calling fouls and they do hurt your score. With such a low scoring game -6 really makes a difference. specifically SO SO SO many G-6 fouls (touching chute door and tote) be aware of this
• The Real Time Scoring is NOT reliable at all. They're are delays and it does not score noodles. Coaches need to learn to score in their heads.

Poll on throwing noodles
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=135219

I will be updating as matches continue!

[CTbiker105]

Originally Posted by KosmicKhaos

• The field is going to get very messy very quick.

Here here.

When I went to a week 0 event, I was surprised at how quickly I couldn't really tell what was happening on the field once the match started.

Unless you have a robot on your alliance that can effectively clean up missed noodles, a human player with dead-on accuracy when throwing, or you desperately need points if it's a close match (only applicable in finals), I don't think throwing noodles is going to be a very popular strategy once teams realize how much clutter it results in on the field.

[Bluman56]

Originally Posted by CTbiker105

Here here.

When I went to a week 0 event, I was surprised at how quickly I couldn't really tell what was happening on the field once the match started.

Unless you have a robot on your alliance that can effectively clean up missed noodles, a human player with dead-on accuracy when throwing, or you desperately need points if it's a close match, I don't think throwing noodles is going to be a very popular strategy once teams realize how much clutter it results in on the field.

Until teams realize that, I would like to petition for this game to be renamed Litter Lunge.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by CTbiker105

Here here.

When I went to a week 0 event, I was surprised at how quickly I couldn't really tell what was happening on the field once the match started.

Unless you have a robot on your alliance that can effectively clean up missed noodles, a human player with dead-on accuracy when throwing, or you desperately need points if it's a close match, I don't think throwing noodles is going to be a very popular strategy once teams realize how much clutter it results in on the field.

Why would it being a "close match" impact you at all? Wins/Losses don't matter, only how many points you score. If the clutter on the field from noodles reduces your score more than you gain in points from scoring the noodles, don't throw. If you gain more points from throwing the noodles than you lose to the clutter on the field, throw noodles.

[IronicDeadBird]

I underestimated utility this year which is weird normally I over emphasize it.
Just saw a tethered robot and the actual "footprint" created by the tether was a lot bigger then I had accounted for.
Size is killing some robots be it with center of gravity or just trying to get around, shout out to GDC for smart resource placement.

[CTbiker105]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Why would it being a "close match" impact you at all? Wins/Losses don't matter, only how many points you score.

Crap. I keep forgetting this. You're right, close matches are no longer a thing besides finals.

[vdoe]

Dead on accuracy with throwing noddles isn't something very hard to get; I've seen several human players who are nailing their noodle shots into the opposite wall. In one practice match a human player tossed 10 noodles and beat the opposing alliance. He alone scored 33 points with no robot working on his alliance, while also making it harder for the opposing alliance by cluttering the space around the human player station on the opposite side

[snoman]

1 noodles make little difference other than clogging up the field.
2 co op pts are huge almost every alliance try to do it. Lots succeed.
3 no 3 tote stacks in auto at the 2 events I was at. Not many pts scored in auto overall.
4 low scores overall. games in the single digits
5 teams communication with everyone playing prior to game is very important

[Doug Frisk]

Originally Posted by snoman

3 no 3 tote stacks in auto at the 2 events I was at. Not many pts scored in auto overall.

You haven't been at the Northern Lights Regional. 2512 has made an auton tote stack in 5 of 6 matches so far.

[snoman]

I am in duluth missed that one. Working other event. The blue alliance shows 2 done in auto by 2512. Still very good !! Are you using encoders to drive straight?

[Doug Frisk]

Originally Posted by snoman

I am in duluth missed that one. Working other event. The blue alliance shows 2 done in auto by 2512. Still very good !! Are you using encoders to drive straight?

That's because the blue alliance only has the first 30ish matches from Northern Lights.

As for driving straight, I tend to try to focus 10 to 12 seconds down the road. If you're asking how the robot does it, I have no clue, I'm just running the FMS and occasionally running ranking reports to Pit Admin.

[ice.berg]

Originally Posted by DareDad

You haven't been at the Northern Lights Regional. 2512 has made an auton tote stack in 5 of 6 matches so far.

I have no idea what you are talking about.....
But we might also bring 2 containers into the zone as well....

[snoman]

Is there a link to a video?

[ice.berg]

Originally Posted by snoman

Is there a link to a video?

Click the facebook link below
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[snoman]

Very cool! !!