Which 3 robots would form the most overpowered alliance?

[JamesBrown]

Originally Posted by waialua359

3476 is able to put 18 (3 stacks on the scoring platform) in a match.
They chose to do 5 each instead to complement their partner. With a third partner who focuses solely on the step to grab RC's and place them on stacks, that is a viable option for 2 of the 3 members.

I think the key question is what combination of teams can put up 200 points in a match?

1114 just put up 3 6 stacks with RCs and Litter on their own and had 25 seconds remaining. With a way to get at least 3 RCs from the middle in Auto 1114 and 148 can put up 272 together, not counting whatever their teammate can do outside of Auto.
1114: 20 (Auto)+3x42 Teleop
148: 3x42 Teleop

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by waialua359

3476 is able to put 18 (3 stacks on the scoring platform) in a match.
They chose to do 5 each instead to complement their partner. With a third partner who focuses solely on the step to grab RC's and place them on stacks, that is a viable option for 2 of the 3 members.

I think the key question is what combination of teams can put up 200 points in a match?

A way to get to 200 points is a 3 tote stack auto + 5 capped (not capped and stuffed) stacks of 6. Pairing a robot that is a really really good can manipulator with two robots that can process and deliver 5 stacks of six out of the hp zones would be one way to do it (provided one can also run at least a 20 point auto). 2848, 148, and 987 or 4039 could run this routine

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

A way to get to 200 points is a 3 tote stack auto + 5 capped (not capped and stuffed) stacks of 6. Pairing a robot that is a really really good can manipulator with two robots that can process and deliver 5 stacks of six out of the hp zones would be one way to do it (provided one can also run at least a 20 point auto). 2848, 148, and 987 or 4039 could run this routine

Yes, exactly the type of scenario I was thinking about when I posted.
With eliminations going serpentine, this has huge ramifications in getting teams that are effective at RC bins in auto for teams lower in the alliance selection seedings.

[JamesBrown]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

A way to get to 200 points is a 3 tote stack auto + 5 capped (not capped and stuffed) stacks of 6. Pairing a robot that is a really really good can manipulator with two robots that can process and deliver 5 stacks of six out of the hp zones would be one way to do it (provided one can also run at least a 20 point auto). 2848, 148, and 987 or 4039 could run this routine

I am not as sold on the necessity of can specialists. 1114 and 118 could easily do 5 capped stacks of 6 plus a 20 point auto without any help from a third partner. 1114 can do 3 stacks capped every time, and 118 could consistently grab 2 RCs from the center and create 6 stacks with them.

[WillRobinson]

Originally Posted by waialua359

I think the key question is what combination of teams can put up 200 points in a match?

200 point matches will probably be fairly common at champs. The 987/148 alliance scored 215 in Dallas F2 with 987 about 3 seconds away from placing another RC on a six stack.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2j49zpQjC_8

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

200 point matches will probably be fairly common at champs. The 987/148 alliance scored 215 in Dallas F2 with 987 about 3 seconds away from placing another RC on a six stack.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2j49zpQjC_8

Fairly common or higher with good alliances in eliminations, but I'd disagree "fairly common" in qualification matches.
In addition, 2 alliances that score well over 200+ in a match pitted against each other will have some negative effect going for the same step bins.

[artK]

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

200 point matches will probably be fairly common at champs. The 987/148 alliance scored 215 in Dallas F2 with 987 about 3 seconds away from placing another RC on a six stack.

I would have to disagree with this claim. According to the Blue Alliance's charts, the average score for Championship elims approximately doubles the average elims scores during week 1 (The largest ratio between the two was about 2.5 in 2010).

This year, week 1 elims average scores were about 80. By the above estimate, the average elims scores at champs would be about 160. There is little doubt that we will see 200s on the scoreboards during elims at champs, but I would be hesitant to say that 200 will be fairly common.

[MrJohnston]

Those combinations are... frightening. Thinking about the, I am thankful that there are 8 divisions at champs instead of 4 - minimizing the chances that we have to actually face such... nastiness.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter

Except 1114... they seem to be consistently doing 2-3 6-stacks with RCs from the landfill.

Is that not what 987 did?

[TDav540]

Alberta Tech Alliance (4334) could be really valuable for a landfill stacker because of their ability to flip upside down totes. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see them be a strong 3rd pick for an extremely strong alliance. Quality robot, they have indeed.

[Nathan Streeter]

Originally Posted by dodar

Is that not what 987 did?

It's kind of early to call a winner of the landfill stackers, but from the video of seen of 987's elims and 1114's early qual matches, 1114's consistently doing 2.5-3.2 6-stacks with RC from the landfill, while 987 was consistently doing 1.75-2.2 6-stacks with RC from the landfill. I think 987 will improve more though, as it seems like they spent a fair bit of time fussing around with RCs... either taking a while to get them or being a team-player by moving one over for 148 to use.

987's auto is more capable and reliable so far... but the only team that can stack game pieces as fast as 1114 is 148... and 148 only does so by multi-tasking.

My 'criticism' of these top teams isn't meant to be critical-sounding... any of them so thoroughly out-pace my team it's really not even funny. We could consistently do 3 stacks of 4 totes (no RC!) in elims at Week 1... very good, but no where even close to those levels.

[IronicDeadBird]

Optimus Prime, Wall-E, C3-PO hands down

going to call it at 148, 1114, and Ill get back to you when I review all the 4 bin step auto footage.

[Nathan Streeter]

My suspicion is that if an RC-grabber can't get their RCs off the step in 0.25-1.0s, then there's almost no point in even trying at the 'Einstein' level of play.

Accordingly, the best alliance will need to get as many RCs as they can in the first second... 1678 is likely to come up with a super-fast approach (perhaps only 2 RCs instead of all 4, though?), but until they do, I think you need to slot a different team in for RC-grabbing.

If the fastest RC grabbers can only get 2 RCs each, then you'll really want 2 on an alliance... obviously they'd need to be highly capable at stacking and/or RC-placing during teleop too though... otherwise you'll only end up with 2-4 stacks and it will have hardly mattered that you limited the opposition to 3 RCs.

[themccannman]

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter

My suspicion is that if an RC-grabber can't get their RCs off the step in 0.25-1.0s, then there's almost no point in even trying at the 'Einstein' level of play.

.25 seconds? what is this? the james may alliance?

[DampRobot]

Originally Posted by themccannman

.25 seconds? what is this? the james may alliance?

The fastest RC grab...

In the World.