Which 3 robots would form the most overpowered alliance?

[Lil' Lavery]

If you are consistently out stacking other alliances (especially beyond the margin for litter points), you only need the fastest 2-can grabber to "win." The only exception is if two (or more) other alliances have 4-can grabbers that can beat enough other opposing alliances to raise their average above yours in the SFs.

[asid61]

Originally Posted by themccannman

.25 seconds? what is this? the james may alliance?

Not sure who that is, sorry. But I think that a 0.25 second 2-can grab by two robots will be very important on einstein. 4-can autons may not be able to compete in speed.
1114-148-2-can auton. 1114 will hopefully add a 2-can auton, as it's quite simple and easy to add. Stay tuned for Utah next week.
If 1114 doesn't do that, 118-148-2can would be my pick.

[themccannman]

Originally Posted by asid61

Not sure who that is, sorry. But I think that a 0.25 second 2-can grab by two robots will be very important on einstein. 4-can autons may not be able to compete in speed.
1114-148-2-can auton. 1114 will hopefully add a 2-can auton, as it's quite simple and easy to add. Stay tuned for Utah next week.
If 1114 doesn't do that, 118-148-2can would be my pick.

James May, as noted by wikipedia aka "captain slow", I think you know what I'm hinting at

[BrennanB]

Originally Posted by asid61

1114 will hopefully add a 2-can auton, as it's quite simple and easy to add.

They have a can grabber.

[asid61]

Originally Posted by BrennanB

They have a can grabber.

I can see it. However, so far it looks pretty slow and has to be positioned manually due to their 3-tote auton.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by asid61

I can see it. However, so far it looks pretty slow and has to be positioned manually due to their 3-tote auton.

What if I told you they didn't run their 3 tote auto every match?

[wilderbuchanan]

I wonder though, with Champs going from 4 to 8 divisions, will a "power house" alliance emerge if the best teams are spread out. I think this will make it so there will not be an obvious Einstein winner.

[magnets]

Originally Posted by asid61

I think that a 0.25 second 2-can grab by two robots will be very important on einstein. 4-can autons may not be able to compete in speed.

This seems to be an accepted fact from many users, but I'm not convinced. A single team which can grab 4 containers as quickly as any other grabber would be hugely desirable, so teams are going to make robots that can get 4 very quickly.

[asid61]

Originally Posted by magnets

This seems to be an accepted fact from many users, but I'm not convinced. A single team which can grab 4 containers as quickly as any other grabber would be hugely desirable, so teams are going to make robots that can get 4 very quickly.

I agree, a 4-can is better than a 2-can. The main issue is that you have to reach from the center of the field to the edges of it. This leaves you three options:
-Swing your arm out in autonomous
-Swing your arm out during the 60s setup time and retract them later
-Swing your arm out during setup an dnever retract it.
The first option is inherently slow; you would have to devote way too many resources to ensure that the 4-can grab is faster than the opponent's 2-can.
The second option is better, but the sheer weight of the assembly, plus the setup time could make it too slow or unreliable.
The last option can be light, as it does not need any type of retraction mechanism. However, it guarentees that you can't effectively play the game anymore.
I think it's possible, but it is much harder than just dropping two 72" rods down to grab if you want to match speed. And you would have to be faster than any two-can.

[Lil' Lavery]

That post has an awful lot of assumptions in it. Assumptions that may not end up being true.

[Gweiss96]

254, 148, 1114

[asid61]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

That post has an awful lot of assumptions in it. Assumptions that may not end up being true.

Just what I've seen. If you have a good idea for a super-fast four can auton I would love to know.

[themccannman]

Originally Posted by magnets

This seems to be an accepted fact from many users, but I'm not convinced. A single team which can grab 4 containers as quickly as any other grabber would be hugely desirable, so teams are going to make robots that can get 4 very quickly.

Inertia is a thing, 2 is always faster, and 1 is even faster than 2, but there's a very specific reason 1 isn't advantageous, I will leave this as an exercise to the reader.

I'm also very surprises no one has pointed out the most obvious alliance, 2056, 2056, and 2056 is clearly the most OP.

[Boltman]

1114 (Fastest LF processor so far) + Fastest RC wall grabber (With HP load ability ideally) + Fastest RC+N topper

[Sparkyshires]

1114, 148 and 610. 610 gets all the bins in autonomous, and the others make max stacks. That would be beyond OP.