Feeding Noodles Over the Wall

[jnicho15]

Teams did it at Southfield while the robot was holding the container, no issues.

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

Has anyone asked the specific question about putting litter into the RC over the wall after the last 20 seconds?

https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...leop-also-assu

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

I searched on the Q & A, but could not find any direct questions. Has anyone asked the specific question about putting litter into the RC over the wall after the last 20 seconds?

If you look at the definition of FIELD and their recent answer 411, then it is possible that, as long as the LITTER is partially still outside the FIELD then this could be legal.

Paul

I think it's pretty clear in the rules:

Originally Posted by G33

LITTER may be introduced onto the FIELD only during TELEOP and only in the following ways:
A. through the LITTER CHUTE, or
B. over the ALLIANCE WALL prior to the last twenty (20) seconds of the MATCH.
VIOLATION: FOUL per LITTER.

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

Has anyone asked the specific question about putting litter into the RC over the wall after the last 20 seconds?

Q&A Response:

a HUMAN PLAYER (or DRIVER) putting LITTER over the ALLIANCE WALL when the timer reads 20 seconds or fewer would be a violation of G33-B
https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...leop-also-assu

[homerun33ss]

Team 948 did this during the PNW Glacier Peak District Event. The human player would squeeze the noodle hard from both ends, so that a bend would form in the middle. This shaped the noodle into a temporary upside-down "L" shape. This allowed them to have one end pointing almost straight down into the RC opening and have the end that the human player was holding be perpendicular to the human player station wall.

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by homerun33ss

Team 948 did this during the PNW Glacier Peak District Event. The human player would squeeze the noodle hard from both ends, so that a bend would form in the middle. This shaped the noodle into a temporary upside-down "L" shape. This allowed them to have one end pointing almost straight down into the RC opening and have the end that the human player was holding be perpendicular to the human player station wall.

I presume that the RCs went on the stack vertically. If you laid them down, the bent litter would be likely to fall out.

[homerun33ss]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

I presume that the RCs went on the stack vertically. If you laid them down, the bent litter would be likely to fall out.

That is correct; the RC's were placed in the upright position on top of the tote stack.

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

If you laid them down, the bent litter would be likely to fall out.

Unless you insert both ends of the bent litter into the RC

[mwmac]

check out Q&A #404 for further clarification...

[Gary Dillard]

OK I stand corrected, I had asked some early questions in Q&A before they changed the rule and I thought from the wording in the team update when it was changed that the intent was clear. Apparently they've clarified it again.

Q421 Q. For purposes of G27, would something that is partly outside of the the FIELD and and partly inside of the FIELD (such as LITTER entering the FIELD over the ALLIANCE WALL) be considered "outside the FIELD"?

FRC3928 on 2015-02-24 | 1 Followers

A. Under G27, the issue is whether or not the contact point on the object itself is outside the FIELD, not how much of the object is in or out of the FIELD. Consider LITTER draped over a GUARDRAIL. Part of the LITTER is inside the FIELD, part is outside the FIELD. If a ROBOT or something it controls contacts the part of the LITTER inside the FIELD, there is no violation. If the ROBOT or something it controls contacts the part of the LITTER outside the FIELD, that is a violation.

I suggested this strategy last week to our team and then retracted it when I read the rules. With the Q&A ruling it's back on the board (we don't compete until week 4).