Which robot(s) did you like the best this year?

[dodar]

Also, a lot of people say that 71 won that year during build season. They found the biggest loophole in the rules from 2002 and exploited it to the max. And showed how a team can think outside the box.

[evanperryg]

Originally Posted by cjl2625

I've heard all these legends about 71, but from TBA, it didn't look like they were overwhelmingly dominant.
They won the championship, but their record that year was 30-14-4, and their OPR was never particularly high compared to other robots that year.

Is it just incorrect to judge 71 that year based on these statistics?

In a game of keepaway, and with a bot whose strategy encouraged high-scoring opposing teams and alliance members to push them around the entire match, I'm not surprised their OPR would be low, if not negative.

Originally Posted by dodar

Also, a lot of people say that 71 won that year during build season. They found the biggest loophole in the rules from 2002 and exploited it to the max. And showed how a team can think outside the box.

Like Karthik said, there was the inherent flaw in the chokehold that it would ruin your ranking if you did it every qualification match. Although it wasn't the be-all-end-all perfect chokehold from the beginning, it was the closest thing to it. Other teams attempted similar methods, but few (possibly nobody) else grabbed all three goals, and none were as effective as 71.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by evanperryg

In a game of keepaway, and with a bot whose strategy encouraged high-scoring opposing teams and alliance members to push them around the entire match, I'm not surprised their OPR would be low, if not negative.


Like Karthik said, there was the inherent flaw in the chokehold that it would ruin your ranking if you did it every qualification match.

It wasn't an inherent flaw. They rarely needed competent alliance partners, so seeding first was not important to them. It wasn't until Championships (and perhaps Einstein) that they were really bailed out by the other talent on their alliance.

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by Bryce2471

If you look at my signature, it can be seen that I was in FLL in 2007, so I was not watching 1114 at that time, but I have seen OPR data that suggests 1114's performance this year was greater that that of 2008. I unfortunately know very little about 71 in 2002, but maybe someone with more experience can chime in about that.
Regardless, My real point was that by no means have 254 "missed their mark a bit" this year.

In addition to asid's response, I was just going to add that 71's robot was dominant in the "unbeatable" fashion (similar to 469 in 2010), since they would win the match if they got all three goals (which they did almost all the time). This year, there was really no match for this, especially since there was no win-loss until finals. The only way a team could really be "unbeatable" this year was if they got ahold of all 4 center bins and made enough stacks. This was stressed all season by CitrusDad and Karthik, among others. Nonetheless, I believe 254 and 1114 were both extremely good this year, and I would equate their performance this year with that of 1114 in 2008. Be careful when you match OPR data between years, since Recycle Rush had higher point matches than Overdrive, simply because of the scoring system of each year.

[asid61]

Originally Posted by Bryce2471

I had a similar response to reading this.

I would argue that 254's performance at SVR might have been the most dominant robot performance in the history of FRC. I haven't been around long enough to say for sure, but I can't imagine a robot that would be so much better than the competition.

I also don't have the numbers readily available, but I would be willing to bet that 254's OPR from SVR, put on a scale of standard deviation, would be the greatest outlier in FRC of all time.

254's performance this year was lower than the level of 71 in 2002 from what I've seen. I don't know how good 1114 did in 2008, but they would be very hard pressed to beat 254 this year.
I remember at SVR, 254 was able to do coop + 4 canned 6 stacks on their own, at least 3 with noodles. Quals 88, in a match where they were against the 2nd, 4th, and 11th seeds. That tops even 1114 performances, to the point where the OPR of 254 at SVR was 160, whereas 1114 was around 130. And third place was much lower than even 1114.
I feel like 254 could have won on Einstein if various stuff hadn't happened in quarterfinals on Carson.

[fargus111111111]

What, 2826 is not on this list! Being in the hopper playoffs I was able to see this thing up close on the field and it was awesome! My team was across the aisle from 33's pit and as a result I learned about their automated tote loading system, one of the coolest coding features I saw this year.

[allgoodthehood]

Not only is 2826 missing from the poll, but 987 is also missing.

[jajabinx124]

Originally Posted by allgoodthehood

Not only is 2826 missing from the poll, but 987 is also missing.

987 is on the poll. They are under 148.

[allgoodthehood]

Originally Posted by jajabinx124

987 is on the poll. They are under 148.

That's only slightly awkward....