State Power Alliances 2015

[Lij2015]

Originally Posted by TDav540

I'd imagine it would be an issue. Though there are a few possible options here:

1086: IMO best landfill bot in Virginia. Especially as time progressed, their drivers (only juniors btw), improved significantly and can now do at least three four or five stacks, depending on their partners.

2363/384: Although I would take 2363 just based on more driver experience this year (Chesapeake), both teams are interchangeable and highly effective at making capped six stacks.

1885/540 That's where the VA canburglars are. Although I haven't seen enough matches to truly gauge their effectiveness, I know that they made the playoffs in Carson and did well at Pittsburgh and Greater DC. They can cap 1086's stacks and clean up the cans 2363/384 doesn't use. 540 only has a one canburglar unfortunately, but we can also quickly grab cans off the step and cap stacks during tele-op as well.

You're right that the state does lack major canburglar power though. Multiple options for a powerful alliance though.

Whoops, I forgot about 1885 since i haven't seen them this year

[halowaffle47]

Originally Posted by Infinity2718

I don't see any power alliance leaving out 1023, they just dominated Michigan from week 1 to champs with their consistency and scoring. I would pick 107 for a replacement for the auto and stacking ability.

Totally forgot about 1023 *fasepalm*. I might replace 107 with 1023. Because 1023 also had a 20 point auton. They could really be interchangeable. Or if the thread was doing alliances like at worlds champs (four teams on an alliance) have all of them.

Also for a four team alliance I would add 4967(the team i'm on). Not just because I could, but because our team has a decent landfill bot(1-2 six stack with RC and litter plus any extra we can do) but also because our drive team has really good strategy's that we can used in multiple different situations. We also have a four tote landfill auton, so while another team does there 20 point auton, we are still setting up for telop.

[cjl2625]

Here are my thoughts for CT:

195 CyberKnights
As the king of stacking for New England, its impossible to leave the CyberKnights out of this alliance. 3 six stacks, all capped and noodled.
Furthermore, they undoubtedly have the fastest canburglar in CT.

2067 Apple Pi
I'll try not to be biased toward my own team
In the landfill, 2067 can do two capped six stacks. It's not 100%, but I think its good enough to be the choice for the landfiller.
Additionally, 2067 can grab cans in auto. Its fairly quick, though not nearly as fast as 195.

Third robot is trickier; there are multiple contenders. I'll give three candidates:

2836 Team Beta
Consistent two six stacks from the human player. Their consistency in what they do has paid off, helping them to earn the #1 seed in Galileo and #1 at CT champs.

2170 Titanium Tomahawks
Another human player robot capable of two six stacks. The Titanium Tomahawks have really had a good season with this nicely performing machine. Since they do the same thing as Beta, I guess it comes down to which one performs more consistently.

228 GUS
GUS started off with a rough season, but has gotten really good recently. They are capable of at least two six stacks, though they sometimes drop them, probably more frequently than 2836/2170. However, in a good match, they can really shine. In 2836/3647's battlecry match with their 10 stacks, you can see 228 quietly working on the other side of the field. That match, they put up three capped six stacks. I havent seen enough matches to know how often 228 can do two, or how often they can do three, but I'd say they're definitely a contender for this power alliance.

[John Weissman]

Thank you for putting 1640 on your MAR alliance. Just a afterthought add on a 20 pt. autonomous.

[Bennett548]

I didn't watch much of 67 in St. Louis. If they were able to get reliability up then I would do 1023-548-67.

I might also consider 503 in the third position depending on the landscape of the event. They are the fastest canburglars in MI as far as I know, and if a choke hold strategy is viable then I would pick 1023-548-503.

[TJP123]

Originally Posted by Bennett548

I didn't watch much of 67 in St. Louis. If they were able to get reliability up then I would do 1023-548-67.

I might also consider 503 in the third position depending on the landscape of the event. They are the fastest canburglars in MI as far as I know, and if a choke hold strategy is viable then I would pick 1023-548-503.

You're being modest. Until unseated, the crown for fastest in MI goes to 548. The side-by-side in the qualifying match we played together at MICMP was a virtual tie, but you guys were in the hole just ahead of us.

[evanperryg]

Originally Posted by TJP123

You're being modest. Until unseated, the crown for fastest in MI goes to 548. The side-by-side in the qualifying match we played together at MICMP was a virtual tie, but you guys were in the hole just ahead of us.

Of course, you guys have the somewhat evil, extremely cool detaching hooks, which is a big bonus. Even if it partially caused our lowest scoring match of the season at the worst possible time, it was one of the coolest things I have seen this season.

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

From what I'm understanding of this conversation, when the vampires attack, I need to go to Connecticut.
Got it.

where did that FRC humor thread go? Cause this would be the only funny thing in it

I did an Illinois one earlier, but here's one for the Midwest (excluding MI)
2481: good can pullers, one of the best landfillers in the world. I haven't gotten to see their pullers myself, but I've heard a lot of really good things about them.
1756: good can pullers, can ramp load 3 6 stacks capped. They could also handle landfill, but both 2481 and 1756 would score the most points if 1756 stayed at their long ramp. Their ramp also folds up, so it won't be in the way of 2826's auto.
2826: by far the best auto in the world, possibly the best robot in the world. Nothing to explain here, they're incredible.

Every robot here is capable 3 6es capped, or more. Under IRI rules, a single alliance could have access to up to 9 cans, assuming the other alliance doesn't get theirs in auto, so there's potential for a ridiculous score. 2826 would have to be attached to 1756's ramp, but they showed off a tethered ramp in their pre-champs reveal, so I wouldn't be worried about a drop in performance. 1756 would take one of the preload cans, and the other would be placed sideways in the staging zone so they could get to it quickly after their first stack.

[carpedav000]

Originally Posted by evanperryg

Of course, you guys have the somewhat evil, extremely cool detaching hooks, which is a big bonus. Even if it partially caused our lowest scoring match of the season at the worst possible time, it was one of the coolest things I have seen this season.

Any match video of this?

[bkahl]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

Any match video of this?

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015arc_sf1m2

[TJP123]

Originally Posted by evanperryg

Of course, you guys have the somewhat evil, extremely cool detaching hooks, which is a big bonus. Even if it partially caused our lowest scoring match of the season at the worst possible time, it was one of the coolest things I have seen this season.

Don't tell anybody, but that was completely unintentional.

There's a right and left side to the hooks and they're removed for transport configuration. One pin in each on the field and they're ready to go. Because of some confusion in queue, they were switched. The pins didn't match the holes, and we incorrectly thought that was because something got bent in the previous match tug-of-war with 1538. The head ref was starting to get antsy about how long we were taking so I just shoved it down as hard as I could and hoped we'd hook the can and be out of there before anybody else had a chance to grab on. I didn't know that our HP was having the same problem on the other hook, or we might have put 2+2 together and figured out they were switched.

To make it even worse, we had shortened our go-forward distance to avoid interfering with 234's 20-pt auton, and something didn't work so we didn't move at all. We got down into the holes pretty quickly... and just sat there. The surgical tubing on the hooks is just to pull the arms back down under the height limit, they weren't intended to withstand the force of two robots pulling in opposite directions.

Either that, or it was all a diabolical ploy to bait an unsuspecting alliance into the most awesome tug of war of the season. I'll leave that up to the reader to decide.

[evanperryg]

Originally Posted by TJP123

Don't tell anybody, but that was completely unintentional.

There's a right and left side to the hooks and they're removed for transport configuration. One pin in each on the field and they're ready to go. Because of some confusion in queue, they were switched. The pins didn't match the holes, and we incorrectly thought that was because something got bent in the previous match tug-of-war with 1538. The head ref was starting to get antsy about how long we were taking so I just shoved it down as hard as I could and hoped we'd hook the can and be out of there before anybody else had a chance to grab on. I didn't know that our HP was having the same problem on the other hook, or we might have put 2+2 together and figured out they were switched.

To make it even worse, we had shortened our go-forward distance to avoid interfering with 234's 20-pt auton, and something didn't work so we didn't move at all. We got down into the holes pretty quickly... and just sat there. The surgical tubing on the hooks is just to pull the arms back down under the height limit, they weren't intended to withstand the force of two robots pulling in opposite directions.

Either that, or it was all a diabolical ploy to bait an unsuspecting alliance into the most awesome tug of war of the season. I'll leave that up to the reader to decide.

We were slightly suspecting... We delayed our auto because we didn't want to get into a tug of war with you guys, hoping you might miss one and we'd get it. Instead, you didn't move forward and then did some detaching hook magic to get the can again. We had never missed our 2-can auto until after that can war. We seriously thought you guys had just made the most brilliant strategic maneuver I've ever seen, but either way that was the best tug-of-war of the season, easily.

[carpedav000]

Originally Posted by evanperryg

We were slightly suspecting... We delayed our auto because we didn't want to get into a tug of war with you guys, hoping you might miss one and we'd get it. Instead, you didn't move forward and then did some detaching hook magic to get the can again. We had never missed our 2-can auto until after that can war. We seriously thought you guys had just made the most brilliant strategic maneuver I've ever seen, but either way that was the best tug-of-war of the season, easily.

That tug-of-war was good, but not the best. (IMO) The best involved 3310 and another team that I forget, they both hooked on to the same cans and their grabbers didnt release, so they got to spent the majority of the match in an epic tug-of-war.

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

That tug-of-war was good, but not the best. (IMO) The best involved 3310 and another team that I forget, they both hooked on to the same cans and their grabbers didnt release, so they got to spent the majority of the match in an epic tug-of-war.

That was 5027. They were on our SVR alliance and they were using the hooks we left with them. No match video up yet on that one.

[aeastet]

Originally Posted by halowaffle47

For Michigan it could be 33, 107, 1918.

33 puts up 2-3 six stacks with RC, one of them will have litter, from the landfill

107 puts up 2-3 six stacks with RC and litter, from the chute door(Yes, chute door).

1918 has RC burglers, and can put up 2 six stacks with RC and litter, from the human player station.

Only thing I would change, cheesecake RC burglers on to 33 if the dont have them already.

107 also has a 20pt auton that went 12 for 12 at the world championships.

[Rachel Lim]

This isn't any easier than the top 5 teams from your state...

		Regular			IRI/CC Rule Changes
NorCal		254, 1678, 971		254, 1678, 1671
SoCal		3476, 973, 1717/3309	3476, 973, 1717/3309
All		254, 1678, 973		254, 1678, 1671/3476

Notes:
1. I'm assuming 254 could do LF only if they wanted (as far as I know, they never have, but I'm also pretty sure 1678/971/1671/3476 do HP only).
2. I still cannot figure out if 973 counts as northern or southern CA--they're basically right between San Jose and LA.
3. For 3476+973+1717/3309, I'm assuming 973 does HP, but for 254+1678+973 I'm assuming they do LF.
4. To create the alliances, I prioritized getting one LF bot / two HP, two 2C autos, and then stacking ability. For IRI/CC changes, I changed it to one 2C auto and put stacking ability higher.
5. This was the data I used to decide on the alliances. I'm not sure how accurate it is for the teams I haven't seen in person (especially those in southern CA).

Team	Stacks	Number	Height	Auto	Notes

254	LF + HP	1 + 2-3	6T+C+N	3T	Both LF+HP (total stacks 3-4)
1678	HP	3	5T+C+N	3T/2C
1671	HP	3	6T+C+N	
971	HP	2-3	6T+C+N	2C
2085	HP	2	6T+C	
701	HP	2	6T+C

3476	HP	3	6T+C+N	
973	LF/HP	2-3	6T+C/+N	2C	Either LF or HP, 6T+C for LF, 6T+C+N for HP
1717	LF	2-3	6T+C	3T
3309	LF	2-3	6T+C	3T
330	HP	2-3	6T+C