State Power Alliances 2015

[DWCEagles228]

In CT I think that there are a couple teams up that could work.
#1 2168, 2067, 228

2168 can steal cans from middle and make stakes from landfill or use there ramp and go from human, i have seen them make two perfect stakes from landfill consistently and when they use there ramp i think they could make three perfect stakes if nothing goes wrong.

2067 can steal can from middle, as well as play with other alliances minds in auto, they make stakes from landfill consistently and they have they best human player there is for throwing noodles

228 can not steal cans, but they can consistently make three perfect stakes from human player and get on naked stake done as well. They also are able to stake faster than 195


my other alliance would be
#2 195 2067 228

195 can steal from middle and make three perfect stakes with 20 seconds to spare, they can right the cans with there ramp,

2067 can steal can from middle, as well as play with other alliances minds in auto, they make stakes from landfill consistently and they have they best human player there is for throwing noodles

228 can not steal cans, but they can consistently make three perfect stakes from human player and get on naked stake done as well. They also are able to stake faster than 195

[bkahl]

Originally Posted by DWCEagles228

They also are able to stake faster than 195

Is there proof of this somewhere?

[DWCEagles228]

Originally Posted by bkahl

Is there proof of this somewhere?

At BattleCry i had three people time 228 and 195 and 228 was faster by 2 to 3 seconds.

[bkahl]

Originally Posted by DWCEagles228

At BattleCry i had three people time 228 and 195 and 228 was faster by 2 to 3 seconds.

At Battlecry, IIRC, 228 only placed 3 capped 6 stacks 2 times.

195 Has been consistently been placing 3 6 stacks since week 5.

EDIT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN9DhyR3aFc

228: First tote fed: 130s Stack Placed:88s Stack Time: 42s

195: First tote fed: 112s Stack Placed: 86s Stack Time: 26s

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by bkahl

At Battlecry, IIRC, 228 only placed 3 capped 6 stacks 2 times.

195 Has been consistently been placing 3 6 stacks since week 5.

EDIT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN9DhyR3aFc

228: First tote fed: 130s Stack Placed:88s Stack Time: 42s

195: First tote fed: 112s Stack Placed: 86s Stack Time: 26s

Seems like 195 is the faster staker.

[DWCEagles228]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

Seems like 195 is the faster staker.

Yes they may be the faster staker once they start to stake, but 228 can stake faster from once they get the can inside to when they place the stake down

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by DWCEagles228

Yes they may be the faster staker once they start to stake, but 228 can stake faster from once they get the can inside to when they place the stake down

From what I'm understanding of this conversation, when the vampires attack, I need to go to Connecticut.
Got it.

[cjl2625]

Originally Posted by DWCEagles228

Yes they may be the faster staker once they start to stake, but 228 can stake faster from once they get the can inside to when they place the stake down

Even if you feel that 228 could complete a stack faster than 195 under perfect conditions, you need to look at the facts.
195 consistently makes 3 six stacks in a typical match, capped and noodled.
228 does not. Your claim of 3 capped stacks + 1 uncapped just isn't true (if I understand your English correctly).

228 is a very good team, and we enjoyed playing with you at CT champs. But you can't really deny the reality here.

[GKrotkov]

Here's my thinking about MAR:

If feel that any MAR alliance without 1640 isn't really doing as best it can. They bring a pretty quick canburgular and an upside of 3 stacks from the human player station.

There are only really two dominant landfill robots from MAR: Vulcan Robotics and TechFire. As far as I (and my scouting data) can tell; Vulcan comes out ahead in pure points scored, but TechFire has the advantage when it comes to being a great 3rd partner, facilitating high scores by human player stackers on their alliance and having a slightly faster canburgular. I think that 225 would edge out 1218 for the landfill spot on a MAR alliance.

As for the last robot, it would have to feed from the human player, and preferably either have a 20 pt autonomous or canburgulars (this allows this alliance to fight over all 4 cans and go for a 20pt auto). Efficiency with cans is desirable as usual, with extra importance because of the likely ability of this alliance to use all 7 cans. Also, there are only 5 stacks of totes behind the alliance wall, so a robot capable of >2 stacks isn't better than one capable of exactly 2 stacks (given 1640 running 3 stacks). Of the high tier HP loaders in MAR, I can only think of 3 robots that fulfill these requirements pretty reasonably. 303 (incredibly consistent 2 stacks from HP station), 2607 (3 tote auto?), 219 (Center canburgulars). 303 would make the alliance incredibly consistent, but the highest upside for the alliance would come with 2607, for whom my data says 2 stacks of 6 is a stretch, but doable.

Final decision: 1640, 225, 303

[Brian Maher]

Originally Posted by GKrotkov

Final decision: 1640, 225, 303

I agree. We attended two district events and DCMP with 303, and I can count on one hand the number of times the number of times they didn't score at their peak ability (2 capped 6-stacks at DCMP).

2590 deserves an honorable mention. At North Brunswick, they consistently scored 2-3 capped six stacks from the HP station. However, after North Brunswick they became less consistent. Both 303 and 2590 have phenomenonal machines, and on the same alliance at North Brunswick they emptied their Human Player stations.

Now for some state alliances.

Based on what I said right there, my NJ alliance would be 303, 2590 (making ~5 capped 6-stacks between them), and 1923 (because wicked fast canburglaring, with some landfill stacking ability).
My Eastern PA alliance would be 1640 (best human player stacker in MAR, stacked tote auto, canburglars), 225 (amazing landfill stacker, stacked tote auto, canburglars), and 2607 (strong HP bot).

My Delaware alliance would comprise 365, 1370, and 4954. Mainly because I don't know anything about the fourth Delaware team

[evanperryg]

For IL:
2481/1756/2451: 2481 is an incredible landfill bot, 1756 has a very consistent 20pt auto and ramp loads 3 6 stacks (sometimes a 7 ) and 2451's energy chain can pullers and ramp-less feeder stacking rounds out the alliance well.
MI, just my speculation:
A 1023/548/503 alliance would have 2 of the fastest can pullers in the world, which helps. 503 handles landfill while 1023 and 548 do their thing. 503 would fight the can wars- the fishing line thing is too useful to let it go to waste (see Archimedes SF2).

[MaGiC_PiKaChU]

Originally Posted by BMSOTM

2590 deserves an honorable mention.

I will put them on my list for Quebec, as they were at Montreal.

Anyways...

3360 : most efficient LF bot in Quebec, making 2 capped 6 stacks, and 20 points auton. Added can burglars at worlds.

2590 : Good HP bot. 2 capped 6 stacks almost every match, can pick upside down cans

3rd robot : pick any of these 2

3996 : Good HP bot, 2 capped 6 stacks added canburglars, but can't work with ramp when they use it, so they make +- 1 stack

3117 Good HP bot, 2 capped 5-6 stacks.

total of either :

6 stacks with 20 point auto and 2 cans;
5 stacks with 20 point auto and 4 cans;
6 stacks with 4 cans in auto;

[BariSaxGuy]

For Missouri:

1730: 2-3 6-stacks With RC from HP station
1986: 2-3 6 stacks with RC from Landfill
1987: Puts out a wall of stacks of 4-6 totes from HP station, but needs to be capped.

[BrendanB]

New Hampshire has a few interesting combos.

319: I'd put them on the power alliance first since they bring The most bag of tricks up their sleeves (hence why I call their robot The Leatherman). Primarily a landfiller this year they started playing around with a ramp recently for HP feeding making them adaptable to play either role depending on who the other two robots are.

1519: With 319 taking the HP slot/left overs from the landfill 1519 can run their can burglars and work on the landfill. With 1519's 3 tote autonomous being one of the most consistent of the year they could run theirs instead of 319s but it takes a set of can arms off the step.

3467: HP stacker and runs can burglars in autonomous with 1519. Makes a few tall stacks in their corner HP slot and caps stacks as needed. Uses the tipped over RCs which are more of a hassle for MAYHEM and B.O.B.

Alternatives:

1058 could easily replace 3467 if can arms weren't a desire and crank out 1-2 full stacks from their corner.

95 can also replace 3467, grab 1 RC in auto, and then run with their GSD strategy of 1519 making stacks and 95 playing the capper.

[jSchnitz]

Originally Posted by BariSaxGuy

For Missouri:

1730: 2-3 6-stacks With RC from HP station
1986: 2-3 6 stacks with RC from Landfill
1987: Puts out a wall of stacks of 4-6 totes from HP station, but needs to be capped.

As great as 1987 is, I'm not sure they fit on that alliance. There's nobody to cap them, and only 12 totes left in the HP station for their wall of stacks after 1730 makes 3 six stacks. Having the R-7 Alliance on an alliance would be awesome, though.

My opinion for Missouri:

1730: 3 six stacks with noodles from human station, 20 point auto

1986: 2 six stacks from landfill, steal 2 cans in auto

4522: 2 four stacks from human station, steal 2 cans in auto

IRI / CC rule change: Switch 1806 or 1658 for 4522. They could make 3 noodled six stacks from the HP station without competing with 1730 for cans and totes.