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View Poll Results: Why do teams succeed
They have 1-3 great mentors 37 38.95%
They have 4-6 great mentors 27 28.42%
They have 6+ great mentors 33 34.74%
They have 1-3 great teachers 27 28.42%
They have 4-6 great teachers 9 9.47%
They have 6+ great teachers 10 10.53%
They have an annual operating budget of $15-$30k 11 11.58%
They have an annual operating budget of $30-$60k 29 30.53%
They have an annual operating budget of $60-$100k 19 20.00%
They have an annual operating budget of $100k+ 21 22.11%
They have access to a build space 15-30 hours a week 10 10.53%
They have access to a build space 30-60 hours a week 41 43.16%
They have access to a build space 60+ hours a week 39 41.05%
They have access to a simple machine shop (5 or fewer manual tools) 18 18.95%
They have access to a good machine shop (5+ manual tools and CNC tools) 50 52.63%
They have access a sponsor who fabricates parts 33 34.74%
They have a mentor for each technical discipline 44 46.32%
They have a mentor for each admin position 23 24.21%
They have school support 28 29.47%
They have a lot of school support 31 32.63%
They have 15-30 students 25 26.32%
They have 30-60 students 36 37.89%
They have 60+ students 14 14.74%
They have a feeder progra that starts in middle school 23 24.21%
They have a feeder progra that starts in grade school 15 15.79%
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed

I am a student so I obviously don't have as much experience as many of the other people who have already posted in this thread, but I am most successful when I am absolutely in love with what I am doing and when I am doing everything I can possibly do to be successful.
I know there are circumstances where just working hard won't cut it, but I'm sure that no team will be successful without working hard (and smart) in the first place.
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed

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Culture, leadership, passion.
I really, really love talking about this stuff. Mostly I talk about it because I think the more I interact with ideas of being successful (talking about it, working towards it, becoming a victim of its pursuit) the better chance there is that I'll figure out all the ways to not go about it, find the one that works, and stick with it.

Success, while it presents itself as a linear, upward slope approaching a plateau, functions more like a web. Culture, leadership, and passion definitely are some of the points in the web. Trying to figure out how these things connect to create success is difficult, if not impossible for a lot of reasons. I think the main reason is that these are not the only points in the web.

Raise your hand if there was never a day in your life where you hesitated to do something you love... something you have a passion for. Maybe you don't want to go to work or school that day. Maybe you're dreading meeting your girlfriend's parents or having to get to the airport extra early. In our case here, maybe you really don't want to stick around after a day of work and/or school to put more work in with your robotics team. I mean, Fallout 4 is pretty great.

If you didn't raise your hand, you're human. If you did raise your hand, you're a liar or you're not human and you should probably expect the van out in the street is not in fact owned by a flower shop.

Passion is the ignition. Nothing great has ever been achieved without fire, without emotion, without enthusiasm. But the United States didn't beat the Soviets to the moon just because we wanted it more.

Commitment and discipline are the legs that passion stands on. Very rarely do beginners get faced with a brutal but universal truth: the gap between being a novice and a master is wider than even the master can comprehend. You really want to make great music, open a successful restaurant, or build a team to take on the Einstein field... that's great! But that first demo, that first dish, or that first robot probably won't be worthy enough to lick the boots of whatever the master of the craft can make. And that's hard to deal with. Knowing that despite your passion for something, you still stand a good chance of coming up short more often than not when you first start out. And that's not just because some snotty dweeb parading around as a critic is going to try to knock you down a peg, but it's because you're disappointed in yourself.

You know what a great robot is supposed to look like, don't you? You know what music you like or what kind of food puts a chef on the map. It's your passion after all! But maybe you're not passionate about it... or not passionate enough... and you doubt yourself. You build your team up and up over a series of years, you make one misstep, and you feel like everyone has just witnessed the fraud you really are. Commitment and discipline will pull you up off the mat when the passion is missing and you're ready to tap out.

You've seen people nail down what works for them to turn their passion to success and you wonder when, if ever, you'll find that special thing that will do the same for you. It may take you 2 seasons. It may take you 10 seasons. But leaving disappointed and broken over something because you think your passion is gone is giving in to the weaker parts of your humanity. We're meant for more than letting just one hit to the jaw knock us out. You have to know that everyone goes through this. You have to know that you can get through this as well. But you must stand strong in your conviction. Stand up for what you are passionate about; not just against those who say you're wasting your time or you're not good enough, but against those same thoughts that creep inside your own brain, searching for whatever cracks in your discipline and commitment they can find and breaking you.

Through discipline, you set deadlines to your work and stick to them. Through commitment, you create a program that works for you and your team given the wealth of available and free resources. Through both of these things you find the strength to slog through a crisis of any and all magnitudes and eventually find success. You create a volume of work to close the gap between yourself and the masters. You build a fortress of confidence to protect yourself from those who try to slow or stop you. You navigate the crucible and become a champion. Through the trials by fire, you create leaders. From these leaders, with these ideas of passion driving commitment and discipline that in turn fuel the passion, you can create a culture that understands how to balance all of that to create success.

I hope.

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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed

Oh, hey OP. I guess if I was to adequately answer your question more directly instead of leaving you to infer what's above, it's people. Zero dollars in the bank account and zero square feet of work space can easily sink a team, but an FRC team can only be as good as the sum of its individuals. Planting seeds of passion for FIRST and specifically FRC in community members of all ages and backgrounds will create a good team. Finding the right people who have been through the fire and come out a leader for an FRC team is hard because most of them are tied to a blood oath of sorts to the teams that built them, so you'll have to put new people through the crucible and watch them grow over time.
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed

It just struck me that it seems that our answers, so far, focus on creating exemplary teams. While those are certainly among the successful teams; they are only a small subset of them.

Now, I know all of the slogans about never being satisfied with anything less than excellence, etc; and I don't disagree in the slightest with an attitude of continuous improvement; but the fact of the matter is that unless you want to declare the vast majority of teams that have had a fairly long life so far, and that aren't in trouble right now, "unsuccessful", there are plenty of ordinary, successful teams.

And sure, successfully seeking to emulate an exemplary team is one way to keep the wolves away from the door; but A) it's not the only way, and B) given that a community's resources are usually limited, it might result in a detrimental overemphasis on just one aspect of STEM inspiration.

For example, what advice do we have for a community that is so successful at inspiring their best and brightest students to get involved in computational biology and genetic engineering, that having a robotics team in that community is unambiguously an important, but secondary activity?

Or, regardless of whether or not an FRC-style STEM team is the primary STEM activity for a community, who has some thoughts on how to smooth out the peaks and valleys in the life of a team enough so that the team avoids valleys deep enough to mortally wound them, while still enjoying "success" during the peaks, and during all of their middle-of-the-road seasons?

An analogy: Some people run to get to the Olympics, some run to beat their previous best, some run for their health, some run because they enjoy it, etc. Runners have all sorts of motivations, and are successful in many ways. In this analogy, let's not assume that anyone who isn't training/running with Olympic intensity, is unsuccessful.

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I don't see any choices for preparation or dedication. Those take a team a whole lot further than any of those things listed.
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I'd say that Preparation and Dedication earn teams every one of the things listed. Having a few students who are dedicated will inspire mentors to dedicate their time and effort to assist them achieve their goals, and these mentors will in turn inspire more students to be dedicated. Having students and mentors who are willing to learn and work to succeed is what allows them to succeed.

EDIT: Gonna add a bit more to this as I have more time now. One thing I have noticed over the past few years is that the teams that succeed on a large level do is take the competition aspect extremely seriously. As 254 stated (don't remember where), they (and all these successful teams) strive to be in the top 1% of all FRC teams. These teams work to win, and are driven to do so.
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From what I have seen, the mentors and students on "high-quality" teams spend 20+ hours per week, in and out of build season, dedicated to robotics. The "powerhouse" teams have students and mentors who spend 40+ hours per week dedicated to robotics.

Teams that are willing to put in this much effort have almost no difficulty achieving anything/everything on that list.
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Culture, leadership, passion.
Everyone hit the nail on the head with these responses, in my mind... The survey points to a bunch of "effects" of having a good team. The "cause" of all those resources (build space, machine shop, large budget, etc.) is having a passionate team. This should really include a dedicated group of students, some committed mentors, and hopefully also school, sponsor and/or parent support.

Now, if you see yourself as a passionate, dedicated team that is willing to roll up their sleeves and put in the serious work of 'raising the bar' on your team, then we can provide some advice there too... As two top-level pieces of advice, I'd say:

1) Be strategic. Decide what your goals are and pursue them. Maybe this is "impacting students lives, skills, and perception of STEM," maybe this is on-field success, maybe this is effecting change in your community, or maybe it's something else. Be specific with these where you can... Also, aim high, but also be realistic. If you want on-field success, maybe target 'being on Einstein' in 5-years, but first target consistently making it into Saturday afternoon or consistently playing in the Finals. If you can't make a robot that will frequently make it to the Finals at your Regionals or Districts, then it's very unlikely you'll make it onto Einstein. Once you have your goal(s), then make your roadmap (HOW you plan to make yourself successful in that area).

2) Be relentless. This will require hard-work, good decision-making, an attitude of constant improvement, and at least a little bit of "luck." Don't settle for something that "kind of works," make it highly effective.

I think the three quotes in my signature accurately summarize my advice in general on 'how to be successful.'
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed

I have noticed several posts talking about team culture and that it can't be changed or is very hard to change. It can change but it may take a while. Our team culture many years ago was very different than it is today. It took many years but it is different and more cohesive today. With that said, if a change is implemented successfully, it can take hold quickly. The beauty of getting new students every year is that if something goes well, they think we've always done it that way. In the same way, it can go bad quickly too. We work hard to keep sarcasm to a minimum and to make sure everyone is treated with respect, is included and has meaningful work to do. Before every competition we talk about gracious professionalism and team reputation - a good reputation takes a lot of work to establish but can be lost very quickly.

I think that dedicated students and mentors are key. These two things feed off of each other. The mentors help provide continuity on the team as well as support for the students. A group of students decided this past summer to design an entirely new 2015 robot to run at Chezy Champs. Our strongest design people had graduated and the current leadership wanted more experience. Many students spent most of their summer designing the robot and key mentors provided support by supervising and answering their many questions. This robot was assembled by new and returning students who are excited for the new season. The resulting robot exceeded everyone's expectations. I can hardly wait for 2016.
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed

Thanks again to everyone who shared comments and voted in the poll. The thread was pretty enlightening and made us think a lot about who our team is an what we want it to be.

Here is a link to the summary blog post http://team1389.com/why-do-teams-succeed/
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