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Re: Most matches for a robot?

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If this is about a robot - it should not count practice robot matches.
Yes, this is about a single robot and its wear and tear. Still looking to see if anyone has more than 151.
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Re: Most matches for a robot?

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Pretty sure this was a great year for robot longevity, given the lack of robot on robot action. Now 150 matches in a year like 2014, 2013 etc...that really would be quite a feat
This is the real question for this thread, IMHO. What is the robot longevity during these 120 plus match marathons for a robot designed to play 2:10 short (often agressive/defensive) minutes at a time.

How many of these great teams took their "originally designed/fabricated structures" from stop build; to first match to test the length of the season (off-season events)..?
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Re: Most matches for a robot?

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This is the real question for this thread, IMHO. What is the robot longevity during these 120 plus match marathons for a robot designed to play 2:10 short (often agressive/defensive) minutes at a time.

How many of these great teams took their "originally designed/fabricated structures" from stop build; to first match to test the length of the season (off-season events)..?
It'd also be really interesting to see how the performance of some robots changed as they got more and more beaten up. In my team's experience, There's sometimes a noticeable change by the time off-seasons come around. (I'm just glad there's not much video of MARC 2014.) Our longest season was this year, at ~79 matches. Only midwest (excluding Michigan) team I can find that had more was 2826, with 84. (Perhaps 1730 had more, depending on what offseasons they went to) I could be off a little bit, as I don't quite remember how many qualification matches there were at R2OC this year.
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Re: Most matches for a robot?

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It'd also be really interesting to see how the performance of some robots changed as they got more and more beaten up. In my team's experience, There's sometimes a noticeable change by the time off-seasons come around.
The degeneration is real. At New England District Championships in 2014, 195 was performing at its peak during quals. Once elims came around (somewhere around match 80-85 of the season), anything that could've gone wrong on the robot, did go wrong. Some of the problems still weren't solved by the end of Worlds. A lot of the moving parts were completely replaced for off-season, but the robot never performed the same again.
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It'd also be really interesting to see how the performance of some robots changed as they got more and more beaten up. In my team's experience, There's sometimes a noticeable change by the time off-seasons come around.
This is a very important part of scouting, especially at events like a District Championship or Worlds. A robot could have done great all season long, but halfway through a third or fourth competition, the continuous wear and tear shows. I have noticed this multiple times in the past two years, even more so with Aerial Assist.
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Re: Most matches for a robot?

I believe I have told this one before on CD (and I have bored many in person), but I think it is a good story relative to this thread.

In 2007, for 33, we designed super light due to all the structure. Estimated the cycle count for the arm as about 10 cycles per match time 20 matches per event times 5 events (3 regionals, Worlds, and IRI) or about 1,000 cycles. For aluminum, this is designing just a bit past yield, but not too terrible much. Operation wise, this would be 2 minutes x 100 matches or about 3-4 hours of match play (180-240 minutes). We built a practice bot with similar structure. This bot self-destructed after about 10 hours of practice. It was structural fatigue of some of the main arm elements. Absolutely catastrophic.
Because of this, we made some fix-it parts during one of the fix it windows in case such a failure occurred at Worlds.
End of the day, the robot made it all the way through regular season*, IRI, Kettering Kick-off and then was on display at the YES expo doing match after match until it too self destructed.

When we tallied it up, (TBA shows 68 matches), but the robot likely saw close to those 100 matches, or about 3.5 hours of match play. Plus a few hours of practice/test/tune cycling plus about 1/2 day of playing with at YES expo (probably another 3 hours of operation/cycling). IE it also failed at about 10 hours of operation.

Once switching to districts, the match count just about doubles, and the potential for practice hours can be quite high with unbag time. Basically, you can't play with the fatigue limits nearly as much as you "yusta-could".



*We did fatigue one piece a couple times during season where the claw connected with the wrist. the issue with that piece was it had a lot of welding which lost the temper of the Aluminum, and it would yield when the arm would occasionally whack itself on the ground. We had a failure right before alliance selection at Detroit that year, and it had to be replaced.
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Pretty sure this was a great year for robot longevity, given the lack of robot on robot action. Now 150 matches in a year like 2014, 2013 etc...that really would be quite a feat
I should mention that Becca's frame was broken in the finals of the very first regional at Inland Empire (and lost a few plastic arms along the way starting at Chezy Champs).
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Re: Most matches for a robot?

There is kind of a 'slippery slope' from just official matches, to also off-season events, to also practice matches at official events, to also practice time. Honestly though, I have no good estimate for how many practice matches we played and how much practice time was on our 'competition' robot vs our 'practice' robot.

This was a great (boring?) season for our team in the pits... Early on we had to add/adjust a few things to tighten our elevator belts, but once tensioned at UMass Dartmouth correctly they were good. After that it was really just the additional features we added.

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Wow. That's substantial.
Have you ever considered building more than one robot, perhaps in a way that they could fit in each other and still come within the size/weight limitations, to alleviate wear and maximize match strategy?
It sounds like you remember our 2008 season? Wear was hardly a concern for our robot(s) that year, though...
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It sounds like you remember our 2008 season? Wear was hardly a concern for our robot(s) that year, though...
Man, how many bumpers and bumper structures did Speed Racer destroy throughout the year?
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Man, how many bumpers and bumper structures did Speed Racer destroy throughout the year?
Touche; I'd forgotten about Speed Racer's front bumper! The front frame backing the pool noodle bumper was probably half the frame's weight when we finished reinforcing it (after it broke repeatedly)...
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Our 2014 robot, Becca, finally retired after the 2015 Madtown Throwback with 151 matches. 971's robot Mammoth and 254's Barrage probably had about 20 less matches because they either were in fewer regionals or off season events.

Robots in district regions such as Michigan and MAR that go to IRI may get in 120 matches. Off season events might add more. Are there are robots that have gotten up to 150 or more?
Our (125) 2014 bot was probably close. I think counting the crap ton of replays we had to do we had hit 100 by DCMP, I stopped counting there. I know by IRI I was curious if the bot was just going to fall apart. And I skipped out on most of our off seasons because I was sick of events. TBA has us at 135 but is missing at least the Week 0 event (I think there were 10 matches here), 4 replays from Groton, 3 from RI, 1 from NEU, and River Rage.
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Team #1768 played about 75 matches total during the 2015 season. 60 during the official season and about 15 at 1 off season event.
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