Go to Post HAH! What else am I supposed to do on a weekend? Sleep? - Michael Hill [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Technical Discussion
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-17-2015, 05:36 AM
NWChen's Avatar
NWChen NWChen is offline
Alum
no team
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: New York City
Posts: 205
NWChen is a splendid one to beholdNWChen is a splendid one to beholdNWChen is a splendid one to beholdNWChen is a splendid one to beholdNWChen is a splendid one to beholdNWChen is a splendid one to beholdNWChen is a splendid one to behold
Smooth LED lighting

How do teams like 118 (2013) and 4488 (2014/2015) achieve relatively smooth lighting effects with LED lights, i.e. diffusing light so that individual LEDs are less discernible? Is this just a product of a neat hole pattern that obscures parts of the LEDs?

118 in 2013 for reference
4488 in 2015 for reference
__________________
2012 - 2015 • Team 2601

  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-17-2015, 06:26 AM
Sperkowsky's Avatar
Sperkowsky Sperkowsky is offline
Professional Multitasker
AKA: Samuel Perkowsky
FRC #2869 (Regal Eagles)
Team Role: Leadership
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Rookie Year: 2014
Location: Bethpage, NY
Posts: 1,875
Sperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond repute
Looks to me like they are behind a slightly frosted panel with LEDs on the top and bottom. Indirect led lighting is awesome.
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-17-2015, 07:41 AM
EmileH's Avatar
EmileH EmileH is offline
it's not a water game, ok?
AKA: Emile Hamwey
FRC #1058 (PVC Pirates) & FF (NE Way You Want It)
Team Role: Programmer
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: New England
Posts: 531
EmileH has a brilliant futureEmileH has a brilliant futureEmileH has a brilliant futureEmileH has a brilliant futureEmileH has a brilliant futureEmileH has a brilliant futureEmileH has a brilliant futureEmileH has a brilliant futureEmileH has a brilliant futureEmileH has a brilliant futureEmileH has a brilliant future
Re: Smooth LED lighting

They would put a strip of individually-addressable LEDs behind a frosted or matte panel, which would create the "blur" effect. I'd recommend a 60 or greater pixel-per-meter density for best effect. Pololu makes some good weatherproof LED strips.
__________________
2016-present: High School Student, FRC 1058 PVC Pirates
2016: RiverRage 20 Champions, Battle of the Bay 3 Champions

2013-2015: Middle School Student, FRC 3467 Windham Windup

Last edited by EmileH : 12-17-2015 at 07:49 AM.
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-17-2015, 10:04 AM
otherguy's Avatar
otherguy otherguy is offline
sparkE
AKA: James
FRC #2168 (The Aluminum Falcons)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: CT
Posts: 429
otherguy is a splendid one to beholdotherguy is a splendid one to beholdotherguy is a splendid one to beholdotherguy is a splendid one to beholdotherguy is a splendid one to beholdotherguy is a splendid one to beholdotherguy is a splendid one to behold
Re: Smooth LED lighting

Don't know for sure, but I always assumed they used a thin (like 1/16") white acrylic sheet as a diffuser.
__________________
http://team2168.org
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-29-2015, 01:52 PM
snekiam snekiam is offline
Registered User
FRC #3322 (Eagle Imperium)
Team Role: Programmer
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 84
snekiam has a spectacular aura aboutsnekiam has a spectacular aura aboutsnekiam has a spectacular aura about
Re: Smooth LED lighting

Quote:
Originally Posted by otherguy View Post
Don't know for sure, but I always assumed they used a thin (like 1/16") white acrylic sheet as a diffuser.
I was talking with a member of 4488, the use this to diffuse their LEDs.
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-29-2015, 02:27 PM
Thad House Thad House is offline
Volunteer, WPILib Contributor
no team (Waiting for 2021)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Thousand Oaks, California
Posts: 1,070
Thad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Smooth LED lighting

As said above, we use some thin diffuser paper taped to the inside of the rail behind the cutouts. The LED's are 60 led per meter NeoPixel strips, which are affixed along the inside of the rail for the entire length, which allows them to light both sides of the rails, which have cutouts.
__________________
All statements made are my own and not the feelings of any of my affiliated teams.
Teams 1510 and 2898 - Student 2010-2012
Team 4488 - Mentor 2013-2016
Co-developer of RobotDotNet, a .NET port of the WPILib.
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-29-2015, 03:54 PM
asid61's Avatar
asid61 asid61 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Anand Rajamani
FRC #0115 (MVRT)
Team Role: Mechanical
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Rookie Year: 2013
Location: Cupertino, CA
Posts: 2,210
asid61 has a reputation beyond reputeasid61 has a reputation beyond reputeasid61 has a reputation beyond reputeasid61 has a reputation beyond reputeasid61 has a reputation beyond reputeasid61 has a reputation beyond reputeasid61 has a reputation beyond reputeasid61 has a reputation beyond reputeasid61 has a reputation beyond reputeasid61 has a reputation beyond reputeasid61 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Smooth LED lighting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thad House View Post
As said above, we use some thin diffuser paper taped to the inside of the rail behind the cutouts. The LED's are 60 led per meter NeoPixel strips, which are affixed along the inside of the rail for the entire length, which allows them to light both sides of the rails, which have cutouts.
How do you get them to sit evenly behind the rail? I would think that they would easily wrinkle or bend enough to distort the light.
__________________
<Now accepting CAD requests and commissions>

  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-29-2015, 04:00 PM
Thad House Thad House is offline
Volunteer, WPILib Contributor
no team (Waiting for 2021)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Thousand Oaks, California
Posts: 1,070
Thad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond reputeThad House has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Smooth LED lighting

Quote:
Originally Posted by asid61 View Post
How do you get them to sit evenly behind the rail? I would think that they would easily wrinkle or bend enough to distort the light.
The diffuser sheet is taped tight at the ends, with some small pieces of double sided tape in the middle at some of the cutouts to make sure it sits flat. And the lights are double sided tapes every foot or so along the lenght to make sure they sit flat. Plus far away you won't notice any distortion. We also run pneumatic and power wires up the same rails, and if you look up close you can see the shadows from them in the lights. However from more then 3 feet away its not noticeable.
__________________
All statements made are my own and not the feelings of any of my affiliated teams.
Teams 1510 and 2898 - Student 2010-2012
Team 4488 - Mentor 2013-2016
Co-developer of RobotDotNet, a .NET port of the WPILib.
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-29-2015, 04:35 PM
BJT's Avatar
BJT BJT is offline
uh, should that be smoking?
AKA: Ben Thorsgard
FRC #0876 (Thunder Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Northwood ND
Posts: 249
BJT has a reputation beyond reputeBJT has a reputation beyond reputeBJT has a reputation beyond reputeBJT has a reputation beyond reputeBJT has a reputation beyond reputeBJT has a reputation beyond reputeBJT has a reputation beyond reputeBJT has a reputation beyond reputeBJT has a reputation beyond reputeBJT has a reputation beyond reputeBJT has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Smooth LED lighting

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...-housing/2039/
we used a rail with a snap in diffuser like this
__________________


2016 Central Illinois Winner. Curie Division finalist
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:57 AM.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi