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Re: The Audience Agreement

5.5.10 specifically calls out that it's PRACTICE matches.

Think about this: If you are picking your own crossings, why does the DC give you your opponents' selections? (5.5.10.2)

From the rest of the Manual, it is pretty clear to me that you pick your own Defenses.
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Re: The Audience Agreement

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5.5.10 specifically calls out that it's PRACTICE matches.

Think about this: If you are picking your own crossings, why does the DC give you your opponents' selections? (5.5.10.2)

From the rest of the Manual, it is pretty clear to me that you pick your own Defenses.
As far as I can tell, in PRACTICE MATCHES you choose for the opponent for the sake of practicing crossing them.

In QUALIFICATION MATCHES, Alliances pick their OWN defenses and then the DC exchanges the plans (with the audience selected section still unknown) so that you know what to expect and have one match's time to strategize how to capture your Castle in queuing!

Interestingly, teams should pay attention to Practice Matches to track what defenses teams prefer to cross... That will be a big scouting question that will later mess teams up because you've probably told the opponent which defenses you can't cross.
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Re: The Audience Agreement

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5.5.10 specifically calls out that it's PRACTICE matches.

Think about this: If you are picking your own crossings, why does the DC give you your opponents' selections? (5.5.10.2)

From the rest of the Manual, it is pretty clear to me that you pick your own Defenses.
Looking back at the start of section 3 of the manual, I agree.

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FIRST STRONGHOLDSM is a medieval tower defender game in which two (2) ALLIANCES of three (3) Teams each select DEFENSES to fortify their OUTER WORKS
I think you are correct that my original interpretation is only true of practice matches.
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I think that a relative easiest barrier would be debatable based on the area you're in and the designing process taken on by most teams, drawbridges would of course be easiest more than likely. seeing as it solely requires one to push on the obstacle.
Someone did not watch the video enough times (or read the rules deep enough yet).....Change "push" to "pull" please...not quite as easy to breach and defeat the defenses as first view would lead you to believe at first glance.

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Re: The Audience Agreement

I encourage you to think further about the drawbridge. Maybe consider the definition of crossing. Remember that each alliance has three robots.
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Re: The Audience Agreement

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I encourage you to think further about the drawbridge. Maybe consider the definition of crossing. Remember that each alliance has three robots.
So true (a little reverse help with either Sally Port or Drawbridge for many, may be fully appreciated on many alliances in StrongHold). But, I was attempting to point out that both defenses actually open toward the midline directions and not toward the Tower directions on each side of the field. Headache.
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Re: The Audience Agreement

i am referring to using the spy bot as a means of opening the gate for another team member to enter the courtyard.
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Re: The Audience Agreement

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I think that a relative easiest barrier would be debatable based on the area you're in and the designing process taken on by most teams, drawbridges would of course be easiest more than likely. seeing as it solely requires one to push on the obstacle.
This is an incorrect understanding. The drawbridge is facing towards the neutral zone, meaning that it is easy to return from the courtyard to the neutral zone, but in order to damage it, you must pull the drawbridge down with some apparatus and cross it.

EDIT: The relevant line from the Game Manual, paragraph 1 of section 5.5.10.1 AUDIENCE SELECTION OF DEFENSES, page 100:

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Re: The Audience Agreement

every team can start with a spy bot inside of the enemy defenses. push and let the other through man. just cycle all the defenses
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