Two Boulder Auto

[christheman200]

You could also have one bot kick all the mid-line balls over to the low bar for another bot to fire. If any two teams can pull this off they'd ensure a win.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by christheman200

You could also have one bot kick all the mid-line balls over to the low bar for another bot to fire. If any two teams can pull this off they'd ensure a win.

Huh? You're giving all the BOULDERS to your opponents? I'm not sure how that results in a win.

Remember this rule

G13
During AUTO, ROBOTS may not enter the volume above the MIDLINE.

How are you planning to kick the BOULDER toward your teammates without going over the MIDLINE?

[wildwaffle]

Although this idea is creative, it is not likely that many teams will succeed(much less try). If somebody does do it though, get it on camera. I want to see that.

[dmorewood]

Originally Posted by christheman200

You could also have one bot kick all the mid-line balls over to the low bar for another bot to fire. If any two teams can pull this off they'd ensure a win.

This is a foul

[BBaltrusch]

Originally Posted by dmorewood

This is a foul

As long as you don't enter the midline volume and the boulders just get close to but not cross the defenses, it's legal. You're saving your fast shooter travel time, they'd still have to cross the defenses themselves though.

[kitare102]

I'm not a reliable source of manual info, but I remember seeing that the judging for reaching a defense is to the discretion of the field judge (proper name escaping me atm), and that they are instructed to rule against the team if there is any question of whether you've crossed the defense line or not. I'd assume it's the same for crossing the midline, meaning I'd be hesitant to even get within two inches of it, seeing as you might get ruled against anyways. Seems like too much of a risk to put in the hands of limited sensor fidelity and possible ostables unaccounted for.

[MikLast]

Originally Posted by kitare102

field judge (proper name escaping me atm)

A ref or Head ref if the ref isint sure.

[Nyxyxylyth]

Originally Posted by christheman200

You could also have one bot kick all the mid-line balls over to the low bar for another bot to fire. If any two teams can pull this off they'd ensure a win.

That violates G38 and G40, unless the midline bot waits until the low bar bot shoots before it kicks the next ball, and unless the low bar bot then crosses into the courtyard and comes back before receiving the next ball.

[Dillan_McDonald]

It is viable, you would have to start in front of the low bar or be able to precisely scale/cross another defense, drive forwards, shoot, come back, pick up the ball on the middle line in front of said obstacle, drive back to the shooting position, and shoot again. It is all possible if you have a fast robot with very precise and accurate movement and shooting capabilities, however it would be very close on time.

[cglrcng]

Originally Posted by Dillan_McDonald

It is viable, you would have to start in front of the low bar or be able to precisely scale/cross another defense, drive forwards, shoot, come back, pick up the ball on the middle line in front of said obstacle, drive back to the shooting position, and shoot again. It is all possible if you have a fast robot with very precise and accurate movement and shooting capabilities, however it would be very close on time.

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Or, start in the Spybot position, shoot/score, crossover an easy Defense (Sally Port and Drawbridge would be easiest to exit the Courtyard (if avail.), unless your bot is less than 16" high which is the height of that Low Bar Defense). Get and load Boulder go back across shoot & score (rinse and repeat until 15 seconds are up).

**And if the Drawing at 1.2 Introduction (labeled Figure 1-1: FIRST STRONGHOLD Arena), is correct as I suspect it is, after seeing the vid's and other official docs.

And, if you read G20 in the literal sense. Then, you cannot go from the Courtyard you are attacking through the Secret Passageway & directly back to the Neutral Zone at any time. That is "your opponents secret passage." Unlike the 2-2 Figure appearance, wherein it looks like that is your secret passage if you look at the flag colors.

This would make you only go back and forth (while attacking at least), between the Courtyard and Neutral Zone via crossing the Defense structures of the opponents Outer Works you are attacking and attempting to Breach.

This does make it a whole lot harder to do the repeated multi-boulder auto attempt (instead of going through what appeared to be by all of the direct overhead field illustrations like Figure 2-2: Zones & Markings, Figure 2-4: OUTER WORKS DEFENSE Placement, among others (that appear to have the flags reversed in all of the direct overhead views), and made it easily appear that you could legally (w/ the G50 Rule), just make a clockwise legal circular driving motion of Neutral Zone, over the opponents Outer Works/Defenses into the opponents Courtyard, attack the opponents Tower, exit the opponents Courtyard to YOUR SECRET PASSAGE -just going twice over that much lower only 1" high X 3" wide metal strip, then back into the neutral zone, snatching 1 ball at a time by plucking it off the line, and keep making that circle repeatedly pretty much without interference, as long as your alliance partners knew what you were attempting to do in auto, and stayed out of your way after their attempts.

3.4.6 ROBOT to ROBOT Interaction

G20 ROBOTS may only enter or exit their opponent’s SECRET PASSAGE from/to the opponent’s COURTYARD. A ROBOT is considered to be within the SECRET PASSAGE once the only carpet the ROBOT is in contact with is the carpet inside the SECRET PASSAGE. Violation: FOUL. If repeated, TECH FOUL

Emphasis mine.
****This makes the entire game that much more difficult to say the very least. Most people will easily parse the game and strategize on an overhead field view like Figure 2-2 more so, than to do so, on an angled far off view like Figure 1-1.

I could not figure out why I was getting a headache on the first read through the rules on Saturday morning (when I was switching back and forth between vids and the rules in PDF format on my laptop (later on I was reading them in a BW printed copy instead of color, and I thought it was just the flipped opposite field ends and that is why it wasn't making any sense (I just could not visualize what was making me so uncomfortable and I just couldn't understand why, thought I was just tired (the action actually gave me a headache trying to make sense of that field and the confusing aspects).

No, it was that the direct overhead drawings were all screwy due to the reversed flag colors, that made it appear the secret passages were Red w/ Blue Castle & Blue w/Red Castle instead of the much more proper Blue one side of field/Red on the other and only the attacking robots flipped to the opposite side of the field as attackers, and the much more natural human players w/ drive teams, and Spies on the far side, away from their natural and associated drive teams actually spying.

I'll still say the attempts will still be there from the usual teams, but it won't be as easy as I thought it would be earlier without that easier faster clockwise driving allowance.

It now appears like exiting from opponents Secret Passage to The Neutral Zone earns you a Foul and if you repeat the action it would be a TECH Foul also. (While G20 is 2 complete sentences, it is one section ending with the violation and penalties for violating, but, specific to G20 only, you cannot violate the 2nd sentence as it is descriptive only & not actionable to you, you can only violate the first sentence - Highly descriptive/very limiting/easily violated/& highly actionable). Anyone else read it that way too?

****Yes, I also realize there are other rules that also follow concerning the Secret Passage and Robot Interaction that follow....But, those have different meanings/violations/penalties.