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I believe the blue alliance in qualification 24 of Northern Lights just achieved Triple Tortuga!
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I know it seems mean, but I can't wait. Someone please post a link. In the mean time, any details you can tell? The first one came out of the blue, how did this one unfold?

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Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.

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I know it seems mean, but I can't wait. Someone please post a link. In the mean time, any details you can tell? The first one came out of the blue, how did this one unfold?

Do tell...

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I do not have video of the match, nor can I find an archive of it. I have been watching from home on a low quality, lagging stream, (my home internet connection is very slow). For this reason congrats to whoever has video of the match. This is what I remember seeing.

I do not remember which robot was which, so I will refer to the blue alliance robots as: blue 1, blue 2, and blue 3.

Blue 1 was stuck in the moat, so blue 2 tried to help them out. Blue 2 was able to push blue 1 off the moat, but in doing so blue 1 flipped, blocking the mid-field entrance/exit of the moat. Meanwhile blue 2 got stuck in the moat where blue 1 had been. Blue 3 appeared to not be moving, and was positioned it front of the low bar. They appeared to be more dead/disabled than stuck.

This is what I remember seeing, and is likely not a perfect account of what happened, but I am looking forward to seeing a video of it to see what actually happened. It could have very easily not been a triple, but instead a double if blue 3 happened to move again, or if blue 2 had freed themselves from the moat. (The webcast finished the final seconds of the match focused on the red robots surrounding/climbing the tower, so I was not able to see a definitive shot of a triple tortuga.)

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Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.

Waterbury - I'm not sure it was a triple, but of interest: a match (somewhere in the 30s), one robot flipped over in the courtyard, one stuck on the moat, the third on top of the second robot. Yep. My team was on top of the other robot.
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Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.

Our "Tortuga" song hasn't been played yet at Waterbury, but with the help of mooretep, I think you all would enjoy.
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Our "Tortuga" song hasn't been played yet at Waterbury, but with the help of mooretep, I think you all would enjoy.
It finally got played. I forget which match. Only a lone Tortuga.

Hope mohave more tomorrow as there are several candidates with a high C.O.G.
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Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.

Alright, since I was wondering the likelihood of all your gift cards being claimed and since doing FRC-related statistical analysis is basically what I do for fun, I decided to crunch some numbers over it. After a lot of math, this is what I found:

In order for it to be more likely than not that all 5 of your Tortuga prizes are claimed, the mean probability of a robot getting stuck in any given match needs to be at least ~6.3% (i.e. the average robot would have to get stuck at least once every 16ish matches).*

From my prior knowledge in FRC, I would say this number is conservative enough that all 5 of your prizes will almost certainly be taken by the end of the season.

*To calculate this figure I assumed 127 competitions with 75 qual matches each on average (I eyeballed this average from TBA event pages). Also, this model relies on some tenuous assumptions about the distribution of likeliness to tortuga so, uh, don't use it to place any bets.
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Alright, since I was wondering the likelihood of all your gift cards being claimed and since doing FRC-related statistical analysis is basically what I do for fun, I decided to crunch some numbers over it. After a LOT of math, this is what I found:

In order for it to be more likely than not that all 5 of your Tortuga prizes are claimed, the mean probability of a robot getting stuck in any given match needs to be at least ~6.3% (i.e. the average robot would have to get stuck at least once every 16ish matches).*

From my prior knowledge in FRC, I would say this number is conservative enough that all 5 of your prizes will almost certainly be taken by the end of the season.

*To calculate this figure I assumed 127 competitions with 75 qual matches each on average (I eyeballed this average from TBA event pages).
Is that implying all Tortugas are caught on video right away?
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Is that implying all Tortugas are caught on video right away?
Yes.
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In order for it to be more likely than not that all 5 of your Tortuga prizes are claimed, the mean probability of a robot getting stuck in any given match needs to be at least ~6.3% (i.e. the average robot would have to get stuck at least once every 16ish matches).*


I believe your calculations assume that tortugas are independent events. I think it highly likely that double and triple tortugas will be more common than the number of singles would indicate. The 3T from Palmetto is a great example of why this would be the case - none of those robots would have been a single tortuga. Only by interacting did the robots become immobile. The double tortuga reported by Hitchhiker 42 sounds like a bit of a cascade as well.
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Our "Tortuga" song hasn't been played yet at Waterbury, but with the help of mooretep, I think you all would enjoy.
Is this available somewhere? I'd like to hear it!

Personally, I've been imagining a 100-voice choir with orchestra singing "Oh, Tortuga!" to the tune of "Oh, Fortuna!" from the Carmina Burana.
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Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.

Hey I have a video of the triple tortuga at palmetto. The link is https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DMxaxG2GeTQ
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Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMxaxG2GeTQ

The Triple Tortuga did indeed occur at Palmetto, but its legitimacy may be questioned as one robot was not stuck on a defense, and was instead stuck on another robot.

EDIT: I see I have been beaten to this video. My apologies

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Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.

Qual 32 GTRE http://livestream.com/accounts/12312913/events/4953783. Match starts at 7:56:30.

EDIT: This might not actually count, one of the robots starts moving again right at the end.

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Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.

Not quite a Tortuga but it's pretty entertaining.

http://livestream.com/accounts/12312913/events/4953783

8:47:00 one robot flies over the CDF onto another.
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